Does Torture Work?

This post was written by marc on May 16, 2004
Posted Under: Bush,Politics

We are hearing a lot of doublespeak about whether or not torture works. The media has trotted out many “experts” that claim that torture doesn’t work. Millitary people who denounce the turtore as the Abu Ghraib prison keep saying – torture doesn’t work.

On the other hand they are making the opposite argument that “torture is necessary” in order to get information to save lives. They still want to be able to use torture stating that the Geneva Convention doesn’t apply to everyone. They create classifications of people who they can torture. They also ship certian prisoners to countries who haven’t signed the Geneva Convention so they can be tortured for us.

So – if torture doesn’t wwork – then why does the Bush administration continue to pursue it.

It’s the same sort of doublespeak about does America torture people or not. “Of course we don’t torture people! We are civilised Americans – not barbarians!” But on the other hand American have black ops programs that do things we don’t want to think about so that the government can pretend that they don’t do the things they are really doing. And this is supposed to be a lie that we are all supposed to accept and believe.

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Forgive me, but here’s another shot of the chair in AG, upper right corner.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/iraqis_tortured_wp-b.jpg

As an investigator, let me tell you this sets up a presumption that you would have to rule out in any real investigation. That, the color of the walls and the prison garb are enough in any real investigation to put AG on the list of where this may have been filmed. That chair shows up in AG where all the torture happened in too many photos for it not to be significant.

#1 
Written By hro on May 16th, 2004 @ 4:15 pm

Why do Soldiers all over the work receive torture resistance training if tortue dosn’t work?????????????????????????????????

#2 
Written By Rob on May 16th, 2004 @ 8:08 pm

All over the world -R

#3 
Written By Rob on May 16th, 2004 @ 10:32 pm

Torture resistance training consists of one thing….realizing that there is a threshold where pain doesn’t matter anymore. The training teaches you how to deal with the pain so that you can preserve your wits to escape. Every army knows that torture will not gather useful information…it is only used as vengence and cruelty by uncivilized countries.

Like ours…evidently.

#4 
Written By kotsu on May 17th, 2004 @ 4:25 pm

And all other countries with free standing armies.

#5 
Written By Rob on May 17th, 2004 @ 5:13 pm

I want to interview Mark Perkel Rantz (love the name) on my radio show, Rockin’ the Boat!! Specifically, I’d like to talk about the Nick Berg killing….. my show is every weekday m-f from 5:30-6pm PST… email me…
V-Man

#6 
Written By V-Man on May 18th, 2004 @ 10:50 am

Torture works.

maybe not in all cases but certainly against weaker minded individuals.

#7 
Written By Bukakke-Sake on May 18th, 2004 @ 10:19 pm

Torture on the whole doesn’t work. It undermines our society and our own morals when we use it. Are we not “better than them”? Aren’t we there to show “them uncivilized heathens” how a democracy works? Combatants are much less likely to lay down their weapons if they know they may be tortured when captured. It may get you some information today but in the long run it causes more damage. That is why torture doesn’t work.

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Written By wildstar on May 19th, 2004 @ 7:58 am

That chair the same one I have at home its also the same one chulabis office. I wonder if there are any fords in Iraq if so it must be evidence of an american conspiracy. Frankly I think americans are a little brighter than you give credit for. It would not be hard to fake a video. Especialy with the amount of technology availavble to day.

#9 
Written By kenny on May 20th, 2004 @ 1:12 pm

This was posted today on a Yahoo board:

NEWS- Berg & Abu VidCamera is SAME
by: mfc1212 (M/Rochester NY) 05/21/04 03:15 pm
Msg: 12296 of 12617
15 recommendations

one as Prison abuse was used. Word is spreading around Kodak Park here in Rochester NY. And will break on national News tonite that Kodak film experts have analyzed the Nick Berg video and some of the Abu Grhaib Prison videos comparing them for certain encrypted recording signatures.
Each Video camera leaves a certain signature mark, much like a fingerprint or striation markings on bullets in gun barrels. Same goes for CD-ROM Burners, they leave a trace or type of Cookies on the finished product.
These are tested by computer and not visible by the nekkid eye. Experts here after lunch have concluded that one of the 2 video cameras used in the Nick Berg “beheading” was also used to film US troop abuses of Iraqi detainees.
THIS is BAD news for BushCorp., Military, and CIA. .

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=&action=m&board=37138445&tid=apprisonerabusephotos&sid=37138445&mid=12296

#10 
Written By Connie on May 21st, 2004 @ 12:30 pm

There are all kinds of reasons why torture doesn’t work but the main reason in my mind at this time is that because of our new American romance with torture we have lowered ourselves to the level or terrorists and will probably loose the war because of this behavior. It got so out of hand that instead of disiplined marines descreatly doing this sort of thing so that we never hear about it, we’ve given the priveledge to US Army Reserve folks sure to mess it up, and they sure did. We don’t need torture and they are so despirate to use it because what we really want out of these Iraqi mouths is what we want to here. For instance we would love a torture victime despirate to make us stop convince us that thoes Weapons of mass destruction exist.

#11 
Written By Davol on May 27th, 2004 @ 3:15 pm

“Why do Soldiers all over the work receive torture resistance training if tortue dosn’t work?????????????????????????????????”

Insurance. To make sure it doesn’t.

#12 
Written By Shadow Hawk on June 6th, 2004 @ 10:22 pm

Torture does work. If it were useless, then it wouldn’t be used anymore. However, it does work, especially on people not prepared for it. The problem is in the reliability rate of the information extracted.

If you can keep clamed up until you pass out, more power to you. Me, I know I’d talk eventually. I tend to be a bit fatalistic and wouldn’t expect to survive a serious interrogation. Best way to defeat the torturers would be to start telling a mixture of truth and lies right from the beginning. Get yourself so mixed up that all they’d get would be gibberish. Yeah, you’ll be crippled or dead, but you still would have beaten them.

You can be sure that many of the iraqis, afghans, and alqaeda folks know this too – and they seem to have less inhibitions to self sacrifice than we westerners do.

#13 
Written By Dr Zinj on September 9th, 2005 @ 10:25 am

Do what works. If torture doesn’t get the info we need to save American lives, don’t use it. But if torture does work….
It seems that those against doing what’s necessary put greater value on the single life of a POW than they do on the many innocent lives that the POW was trying to destroy.
We are no better than them if we use torture?
We are not trying to be better than them.
We are trying to kill them until we have won the war.

Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
Winston Churchill

#14 
Written By steve on November 6th, 2005 @ 10:32 pm

If my children were being held, and a bomb was tied to them with a timer, and I had the guy who knew where they were and how to diffuse the bomb, I would do what would be necessary to save their lives, as I would if your children, or family was in the same situation. It is a difficult situation, but if torture would work, I would do it. I certainly wouldn’t enjoy it, but would consider it a “necessary evil,” in order to save lives. There is such a thing a a “greater good,” just like you would speed, and pass illegally, if your passenger needed immediate medical attention. Tough question.

#15 
Written By Philip on March 6th, 2006 @ 8:45 pm

I believe that toture has its place in war. As long as there is fighting between people, there will always be torture. Torture does work, but only on people who don’t have enough willpower to overcome it. And it is tough to say when it should be used. If someone had a nuclear device in a city and was going to set it off, torture was most certainly be warrented. But as a means of perverted pleasure due to causing pain, then no, it has no place. I myself don’t believe that I could stand up to torture unless I had a good reason, such as keeping my men alive or anyone else under my command. As for the torture training, I believe that it is helpful, even if just to provide information regarding what it is like. For knowledge is power. And with that knowledge, you can be prepared.

#16 
Written By Connor on May 12th, 2007 @ 7:52 pm

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