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		<title>By: tomocius</title>
		<link>http://marc.perkel.com/2004/08/21/fixing-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-3519</link>
		<dc:creator>tomocius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are trying to figure out if the fix is in by looking at the general election, you are looking in the wrong place for the right answer. The fix comes in the primary. Once the establishment has the two desired candidates at the top of the ballot, we can fight about, and elect either one. They do not care which one it is. Kerry and Bush will both serve the people who elect them.

Rothchild once said ... &quot;Give me control of a countries currency, and I care not who makes their laws.&quot;

But he does care that the guy who makes their laws does not take back control of the currency (like Kennedy and Reagan). Neither Kerry, nor Bush will take back control of the currnecy. So either will do.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are trying to figure out if the fix is in by looking at the general election, you are looking in the wrong place for the right answer. The fix comes in the primary. Once the establishment has the two desired candidates at the top of the ballot, we can fight about, and elect either one. They do not care which one it is. Kerry and Bush will both serve the people who elect them.</p>
<p>Rothchild once said &#8230; &#8220;Give me control of a countries currency, and I care not who makes their laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>But he does care that the guy who makes their laws does not take back control of the currency (like Kennedy and Reagan). Neither Kerry, nor Bush will take back control of the currnecy. So either will do.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie chingas</title>
		<link>http://marc.perkel.com/2004/08/21/fixing-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-3518</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie chingas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so anyways, maybe they are not fixing the election. bush probably knows he&#039;s not going to win, so he&#039;s smearing kerry, so when he gets into office, no one will like him. also, all these laws that bush is passing (or will pass) to help his buddies, being passed at the last minute, will be an indicator if the elections are fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so anyways, maybe they are not fixing the election. bush probably knows he&#8217;s not going to win, so he&#8217;s smearing kerry, so when he gets into office, no one will like him. also, all these laws that bush is passing (or will pass) to help his buddies, being passed at the last minute, will be an indicator if the elections are fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Gillogly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Gillogly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm maybe they should go to the grocery store? see this endless debate on taxing the rich more then the non rich will go on forever, it is a issue that both sides will never win. Just like abortions and the seperation of church and state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm maybe they should go to the grocery store? see this endless debate on taxing the rich more then the non rich will go on forever, it is a issue that both sides will never win. Just like abortions and the seperation of church and state.</p>
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		<title>By: tomocius</title>
		<link>http://marc.perkel.com/2004/08/21/fixing-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-3516</link>
		<dc:creator>tomocius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If any of that resturant crap was real you would include accurate #&#039;s of how people are compared to each..&quot;

The resturant does use real numbers. For every guy at the top there is 4-5 wallowing at the bottom trying to eat for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If any of that resturant crap was real you would include accurate #&#8217;s of how people are compared to each..&#8221;</p>
<p>The resturant does use real numbers. For every guy at the top there is 4-5 wallowing at the bottom trying to eat for free.</p>
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		<title>By: tomocius</title>
		<link>http://marc.perkel.com/2004/08/21/fixing-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-3515</link>
		<dc:creator>tomocius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you do not have money and you are not doing anything to get more, than you do not need any more. I guy who wants nothing, and has nothing is richer than a guy who wants everything, and half of everything. I did not state how many people are in the bottom 40 because it is irrelevant. It is just a number. Nobody is at the bottom and stays there for any other reason than they do nothing to get out of there. If somebody chooses not to work and has nothing, does not mean he is entitled to what I work for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you do not have money and you are not doing anything to get more, than you do not need any more. I guy who wants nothing, and has nothing is richer than a guy who wants everything, and half of everything. I did not state how many people are in the bottom 40 because it is irrelevant. It is just a number. Nobody is at the bottom and stays there for any other reason than they do nothing to get out of there. If somebody chooses not to work and has nothing, does not mean he is entitled to what I work for.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Gillogly</title>
		<link>http://marc.perkel.com/2004/08/21/fixing-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-3514</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Gillogly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how you didn&#039;t state how many people are in bottom 40%. If any of that resturant crap was real you would include accurate #&#039;s of how people are compared to each.. Also you have proven nothing, we all understand the more money you have the more you pay on your tax&#039;s. If I made millions upon millions why would I complain so much about tax&#039;s? because is reality they don&#039;t need any more money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how you didn&#8217;t state how many people are in bottom 40%. If any of that resturant crap was real you would include accurate #&#8217;s of how people are compared to each.. Also you have proven nothing, we all understand the more money you have the more you pay on your tax&#8217;s. If I made millions upon millions why would I complain so much about tax&#8217;s? because is reality they don&#8217;t need any more money.</p>
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		<title>By: tomocius</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomocius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tomocius</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wills, here is a subject that I LOVE to argue. Who should get tax cuts. First, you have to pay in order to receive a tax cut.

The top 1% of the income earners ($719,000) is 1.2 million families. They have 15% of the wealth. They pay 21% of all taxes, and 29% of all income tax.

Ratio 1:15:21:29

The top 5% of the income earners ($276,000) is 5.9 million families. They have 28% of the wealth. They pay 37% of all taxes, and 50% of all income tax. 

Ratio 5:28:37:50 

The top 10% of the income earners ($188,000) is 11.9 million families. They have 39% of the wealth. They pay 49% of all taxes, and 63% of all income taxes.

Ratio 10:39:49:63

The bottom 20% of all income earners does not pay taxes at all The second bottom 20% pays 1%. The first requisite for receiving a tax cut, is you have to pay taxes.

5% of all people pay 50% of all taxes, and who should get a tax cut? It is that 5% who take their wealth and invest to give you a job.

READ THIS AND SEE IF YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND ...

Let&#039;s put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, 10 men go out for dinner. The bill for all 10 comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay $1.

The sixth would pay $3.

The seventh $7.

The eighth $12.

The ninth $18.

The 10th man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that&#039;s what they decided to do. The 10 men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

&quot;Since you are all such good customers,&quot; he said, &quot;I&#039;m going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20.&quot;

So now dinner for the 10 only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

So, the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six, the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his &#039;fair share&#039;? 

The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody&#039;s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being PAID to eat their meal.

So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man&#039;s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings). 

The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).

The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).

The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).

The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).

The 10th now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

&quot;I only got $1 out of the $20,&quot; declared the sixth man. He pointed to the 10th man and exclaimed, &quot;But he got $10!&quot;

&quot;Yeah, that&#039;s right,&quot; exclaimed the fifth man. &quot;I only saved $1, too. It&#039;s unfair that he got 10 times more than me!&quot;

&quot;That&#039;s true!!&quot; shouted the seventh man. &quot;Why should he get $10 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!&quot;

&quot;Wait a minute,&quot; yelled the first four men in unison. &quot;We didn&#039;t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!&quot; The nine men surrounded the 10th and beat him up.

The next night the 10th man didn&#039;t show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn&#039;t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore. There are lots of good restaurants in Europe and the Caribbean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wills, here is a subject that I LOVE to argue. Who should get tax cuts. First, you have to pay in order to receive a tax cut.</p>
<p>The top 1% of the income earners ($719,000) is 1.2 million families. They have 15% of the wealth. They pay 21% of all taxes, and 29% of all income tax.</p>
<p>Ratio 1:15:21:29</p>
<p>The top 5% of the income earners ($276,000) is 5.9 million families. They have 28% of the wealth. They pay 37% of all taxes, and 50% of all income tax. </p>
<p>Ratio 5:28:37:50 </p>
<p>The top 10% of the income earners ($188,000) is 11.9 million families. They have 39% of the wealth. They pay 49% of all taxes, and 63% of all income taxes.</p>
<p>Ratio 10:39:49:63</p>
<p>The bottom 20% of all income earners does not pay taxes at all The second bottom 20% pays 1%. The first requisite for receiving a tax cut, is you have to pay taxes.</p>
<p>5% of all people pay 50% of all taxes, and who should get a tax cut? It is that 5% who take their wealth and invest to give you a job.</p>
<p>READ THIS AND SEE IF YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND &#8230;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, 10 men go out for dinner. The bill for all 10 comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:</p>
<p>The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.</p>
<p>The fifth would pay $1.</p>
<p>The sixth would pay $3.</p>
<p>The seventh $7.</p>
<p>The eighth $12.</p>
<p>The ninth $18.</p>
<p>The 10th man (the richest) would pay $59.</p>
<p>So, that&#8217;s what they decided to do. The 10 men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.</p>
<p>&#8220;Since you are all such good customers,&#8221; he said, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20.&#8221;</p>
<p>So now dinner for the 10 only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.</p>
<p>So, the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six, the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his &#8216;fair share&#8217;? </p>
<p>The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody&#8217;s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being PAID to eat their meal.</p>
<p>So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man&#8217;s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.</p>
<p>And so:</p>
<p>The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings). </p>
<p>The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).</p>
<p>The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).</p>
<p>The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).</p>
<p>The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).</p>
<p>The 10th now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).</p>
<p>Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.</p>
<p>&#8220;I only got $1 out of the $20,&#8221; declared the sixth man. He pointed to the 10th man and exclaimed, &#8220;But he got $10!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah, that&#8217;s right,&#8221; exclaimed the fifth man. &#8220;I only saved $1, too. It&#8217;s unfair that he got 10 times more than me!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s true!!&#8221; shouted the seventh man. &#8220;Why should he get $10 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Wait a minute,&#8221; yelled the first four men in unison. &#8220;We didn&#8217;t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!&#8221; The nine men surrounded the 10th and beat him up.</p>
<p>The next night the 10th man didn&#8217;t show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn&#8217;t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!</p>
<p>And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore. There are lots of good restaurants in Europe and the Caribbean.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie chingas</title>
		<link>http://marc.perkel.com/2004/08/21/fixing-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-3511</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie chingas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems jes is voting based on looks. althought i&#039;ve never seen a deamon, other than on a computer. i&#039;ve seen demons, though..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems jes is voting based on looks. althought i&#8217;ve never seen a deamon, other than on a computer. i&#8217;ve seen demons, though..</p>
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		<title>By: tomocius</title>
		<link>http://marc.perkel.com/2004/08/21/fixing-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-3510</link>
		<dc:creator>tomocius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh and Wills, you are both stupid. Below you can both read the quote taken Josh&#039;s post. He has quote end-quote the statement that I refer to. I will pay either one $1,000 if you can point out the reference to Jes in this post. Jes was NEVER mentioned in the whole post. Josh the year after they teach you to spell they will teach you what quotes are use for and how to use them.

&quot;The Truth is right on the fact that Bush and Kerry are pretty much the same... Kerry just scares me way more than Bush ever could. He looks like a deamon to me.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh and Wills, you are both stupid. Below you can both read the quote taken Josh&#8217;s post. He has quote end-quote the statement that I refer to. I will pay either one $1,000 if you can point out the reference to Jes in this post. Jes was NEVER mentioned in the whole post. Josh the year after they teach you to spell they will teach you what quotes are use for and how to use them.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Truth is right on the fact that Bush and Kerry are pretty much the same&#8230; Kerry just scares me way more than Bush ever could. He looks like a deamon to me.&#8221;</p>
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