Most RNC Speakers are Pro Choice

This post was written by marc on August 31, 2004
Posted Under: Bush

I find it amusing that the Republicans are trotting out their pro-choice liberals to try to fake a reasonable face to a party that’s trying to take those liberties away. All I see is deception.

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Pro-choice. I understand that concept. The right to choose. It’s your body, you decide what to do with it. Pro-LIfe? I don’t understant. So they are against abortion. What about after the child is born? Do they are what happens after it? I don’t understan. Will somone explain that to me. And I don’t want to hear how wrong it is, or that God this and that. I want to know what happens to the child afterwards. The woman gets raped. She has to keep a baby that reminds her of that horrible experience? I know some people that would say the she deserved it. That’s sick and sad…

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Written By charlie chingas on August 31st, 2004 @ 9:51 pm

Charlie you are saying … Pro-choice. I understand that concept. The right to choose. It’s your body, you decide what to do with it.

here is the definition of the word CHOICE

Choice (Page: 251)

1. Act of choosing; the voluntary act of selecting or separating from two or more things that which is preferred; the determination of the mind in preferring one thing to another; election.

2. The power or opportunity of choosing; option.

Choice there is not, unless the thing which we take be so in our power that we might have refused it. Hooker.
3. Care in selecting; judgment or skill in distinguishing what is to be preferred, and in giving a preference; discrimination.

I imagine they [the apothegms of C├Žsar] were collected with judgment and choice. Bacon.
4. A sufficient number to choose among. Shak.

5. The thing or person chosen; that which is approved and selected in preference to others; selection.

The common wealth is sick of their own choice. Shak.
6. The best part; that which is preferable.

CHARLIE, NOWHERE IN THAT DEFINITION IS THE WORD BODY. HOWEVER IN THE 2) DEFINITION THEY DID USE THE WORD “HOOKER”. DEMOCRATS ARE NOT PRO-CHOICE, THEY ARE PRO-ABORTION. THEY JUST DON’T HAVE THE BALLS TO USE THE WORD ABORTION. THEY ARE NOT PRO-CHOICE IF I WANT TO TAKE MY TAX DOLLARS AND USE IT TO SEND MY CHILD TO A SCHOOL OF MY CHOICE. THEN THEY ARE ANTI-CHOICE. THEY ARE NOT PRO-CHOICE WHEN I WANT TO TAKE MY SOCIAL SECURITY DOLLARS AND INVEST THEM MYSELF. THEN THEY ARE ANTI-CHOICE. AS A MATTER OF FACT THE DEMOCRATS ARE ANTI-CHOICE ON EVERYTHING BUT ONE ISSUE …ABORTION. I KNOW THAT CHARLIE IS FOR ABORTION IN THE CASE OF INCEST AND RAPE. I AM TOO. BUT, I AM NOT FOR ABORTION AS A MEANS OF SIMPLE BIRTH CONTROL. HOW MANY ABORTIONS THAT ARE PERFORMED ARE DO TO INCEST AND RAPE? READ ON …

The Pro-Abortion people often bring up the problems of Rape and Incest to justify abortion. Abortion advocates try to gain the sympathy of the public with these topics. Approximately three of four people would allow abortion in such situations.

Rape and incest were the most important reasons when the abortion law was introduced in the State of New York in 1971… however, after 600,000 abortions in New York no one was reported to be due to either rape or incest.

– There have been 45 million abortions in USA since 1973.

– 95% cited social reasons ,”concerned about how baby could change her life, can’t afford a baby now, unready for responsibility, etc.”. (In a survey conducted by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a research arm of Planned Parenthood, of why 1,900 women aborted their child).

– Only 1% cited fetal abnormality, rape or incest as a reason for her abortion… but fetal abnormality is the reason for the 99% of these 1% abortions…

– Total abortions made because of rape or incest are 1 every 2,000 abortions!…is that a valid reason to have abortion on demand?.

THERE YOU HAVE IT. DEMOCRATS HAVE KILLED 45 MILLION PEOPLE. THAT IS MORE THAN LENIN, HITLER, SADDAM, AND BUSH COMBINED. MOST OF THOSE 45 MILLION WOULD HAVE BEEN LIBERALS. MOST WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR GORE IN THE LAST ELECTION. SO BY ALLOWING ABORTIONS WE ARE ACTUALLY HELPING THE CONSERVATIVE CAUSE BY CREATING LESS LIBERALS. I KNOW THAT WE WILL NEVER DO AWAY WITH ABORTIONS. AND IF A WOMAN WANTS TO HAVE ONE I WOULD HATE FOR HER TO GO INTO A BACK ALLEY AND GET SCRAPED WITH A COAT HANGAR. I SAY, LET WHOEVER WANTS TO DO THEM, DO THEM. LET WHOEVER WANTS TO HAVE ONE, HAVE ON. GOD WILL SORT THEM OUT.

http://biblia.com/abortion/rape.htm

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Written By tomocius on September 1st, 2004 @ 7:37 am

tom, you did not answer my question. what about after the child is born? do pro-life people care what happens to a child? do they care about the kind of environment the child will be brought into? do their pro-choice stance stop at the birth of the child, then they’re on their own? and what happens if the woman is raped or her health is in danger if she gives birth? what then? you did not answer those questions. all you said was some dictionary term and that democrats have killed so many. what? repulicans are the only ones that don’t get ABROTIONS? what about libertarians? what about whigs? somehow i knew you were going to respond and not address my questions directly without using statistics or blaming democrats/liberals. and it seems you condone ABORTION, since it creates less liberals. so you are for abortions, as long as it helps the conservative cause? you can’t have it both ways.

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Written By charlie chingas on September 1st, 2004 @ 8:30 am

Actually Charlie, abortions are performed on more affluent people than you would believe. It is more often the career minded professional that does not want to give up her career. Poor women tend to not be able to afford them.

But your question is what about after the birth? Government can care for the kid, educate them, feed them , clothe them, provide them with health care, and provide them with jobs. Why is the government the answer for everyone else why not the aborted kid. If the child grows up to be an unproductive member of society we always have the LATE LATE TERM ABORTION (capital punishment) to fall back on.

Here is another way to look at this issue. Democrats are for stem cell research, as am I (does that make me moderate Wills). Now maybe the stem cell research will cure some illness. How about the thought that just one of the aborted fetuses might have cured cancer, or alzheimer?

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Written By tomocius on September 1st, 2004 @ 8:58 am

if people are so anti-abortion and don’t want them depending on the government because the government is not the asnwer to everyone’s problem, then why not adopt a child yourself? also, you are contradicting yourself by trying to make a point. you seem to be flip-flopping, but that’s how I see it. In another post you complained that liberals have killed more fetus’ then saddam, hitler and the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs put together (before u go on a tangent about the meteor, the meteor was only a part of, ie, disease, etc)? So are u saying that all affluent people are liberals? What about if the woman is raped? I want your view, not some statistics. What are your views on abortion? No statistics please…

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Written By charlie chingas on September 1st, 2004 @ 11:24 am

what’s interesting is that conservatives say: if you refuse to forbid abortion (gay marriage, …) you’re personally responsible for any resulting immorality.

but when conservatives refuse to forbid assault weapons (unsafe products, …), they’re not responsible for any resulting harm.

#6 
Written By ilya shlyakhter on September 1st, 2004 @ 12:37 pm

Seems to me that the right to life in the United States extends from conception to birth.

#7 
Written By anon on September 1st, 2004 @ 1:34 pm

Tomocius…

The issues of abortion and prostitution are separate issues. There are many women who get abortions who are not prostitutes – as in, they didn’t get pregnant by getting paid to have sex.

But speaking of prostitutes… It would just make way more sense if the whole prosititution industry were legalized and regulated like in Germany (where hookers must get tested regularly, are unionized and get assigned places to work by the police). Also instead of spending money controlling prostitution (’cause you’re never going to eliminate it), you’d end up generating money for the government because it brings sex workers into the system – and with that comes tax revenues.

It’s not like any ‘head-in-the-sand’ police crackdown ever did or ever will make it go away. Prostitution is a profession that goes back thousands of years.

I’m not debating what’s morally right or wrong, people should decide that for themselves. I’m just stating what is realistic. If you don’t like prostitutes… fine, don’t give any business to them. If you don’t like abortion, then don’t get one.

But this mentality of ‘my views should be everyones view’ – and then using religion as justification – has to stop or at least be controlled. That attitude is way more dangerous than a hooker with no other options (and in many cases, no help for a drug addiction) trying to survive on the streets – or some kid who is in no way ready to be a parent having an abortion.

Everyone says they are “Good Christians”, but when the time comes to help those in need (like hookers), they behave like they believe in nothing based on their actions.

It’s easy to kick someone while they’re down – it’s not so easy to help someone get back on their feet – and hookers, partly due to the legal status of prostitution – are usually people who are down and out.

So the next time you decide to kick someone (or a group of people) who is already down, ask yourself if Jesus would have done that. (HINT: the answer is “NO!” – Think I’m wrong? Mary Magdeline is proof that I’m right. Did Jesus kick her while she was down? NO – he helped her. That’s what a REAL Christian does).

So as one Christian to another… lose the self-righteous-judgemental tone.

#8 
Written By Peter on September 1st, 2004 @ 1:39 pm

i know many christians that preach the word of jesus, that jesus is their saviour, yet when it comes to prostitutes, colored folks, liberals, those that don’t agree with there tunnel-like point of view, you can almost see the hatred spew from their mouths… is that what jesus would do? i guess so, because isn’t it the point to be as christ-like as possible, bein a christian and all???

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Written By charlie chingas on September 1st, 2004 @ 8:09 pm

WHOA! I NEVER said anything about prostitution. All I said was the word hooker apperas in the dictionary definition of the word CHOICE. Where did all of the talk of prostitution come from. Peter, go read my post again.

Charlie, you want to know where I stand on the abortion issue. I think that I told you. I do not have a problem with a woman having an abortion, nor do I have a problem with the person that is performing the abortion. I think that it is wrong, and that my God is totally offended by it. As I said before God will sort them out. In a world where abortions have been introduced, it will never go away. If a woman wants to have one I do not think that my tax dollars should go towards paying for her abortion. I believe that if a woman is going to have an abortion she NEEDS to be provided with a sterile environment so that the procedure is done correctly and safely. BUT, I will always champion the cause of convincing women that there is better way. Be realistic, no woman WANTS to have an abortion. I have never heard a girl say, “When I grow up I want to have an abortion” It is not something that they want, it is something that they feel they need.

Another thing, if a woman tells me that if she gets pregnant she would have an abortion I would tell her, “instead of having it sucked out of you, why don’t you just suck it out of me.”

#10 
Written By tomocius on September 1st, 2004 @ 8:32 pm

somehow, my respond disappears. as well as some other ones. do i sense a controlled atmosphere? anyhow, thanks for the reply tom. that’s what i wanted to read instead of you giving statistics. stats don’t mean crap because they can always be used to suit ones needs. and that last remark: that’s funny…

#11 
Written By charlie chingas on September 2nd, 2004 @ 12:26 pm

That last comment was just for you

#12 
Written By tomocius on September 3rd, 2004 @ 7:43 am

well, that makes me feel, kinda awkard. i barely know you…

#13 
Written By charlie chingas on September 3rd, 2004 @ 8:21 am

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