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		<title>By: TekWiz</title>
		<link>http://marc.perkel.com/2004/12/26/more-thoughts-on-gay-marriage/#comment-4549</link>
		<dc:creator>TekWiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robby, you are a little confused, you contradicted yourself "Love is a feeling not a natural born instinct." Then you say "I was born in love". Besides sexual orientation has nothing to do with love. It has to do with "lust" which is not a controllable feeling, it's "HARDWIRED" into the brain. Women do not "decide" to be attracted to men. Med do not "decide" to be attracted to women. They just are. It's internal. For some reason gays look one sex and instead of their "hardwiring" causing them to be attracted to the opposite sex, it causes them to be attracted to the same sex. In fact you would notice that many male gays seems feminine and have some wierd tone in their voice. Something is quite off the mark in their body which makes them not 100% men. Bisexuals also aren't 100% hardwired to like the other sex and are "confused" between both sexes. The brain is a machine which has "bad quality control" during "manufacturing" there is a lot of variability and the chance for defects and inconsistencies.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robby, you are a little confused, you contradicted yourself &#8220;Love is a feeling not a natural born instinct.&#8221; Then you say &#8220;I was born in love&#8221;. Besides sexual orientation has nothing to do with love. It has to do with &#8220;lust&#8221; which is not a controllable feeling, it&#8217;s &#8220;HARDWIRED&#8221; into the brain. Women do not &#8220;decide&#8221; to be attracted to men. Med do not &#8220;decide&#8221; to be attracted to women. They just are. It&#8217;s internal. For some reason gays look one sex and instead of their &#8220;hardwiring&#8221; causing them to be attracted to the opposite sex, it causes them to be attracted to the same sex. In fact you would notice that many male gays seems feminine and have some wierd tone in their voice. Something is quite off the mark in their body which makes them not 100% men. Bisexuals also aren&#8217;t 100% hardwired to like the other sex and are &#8220;confused&#8221; between both sexes. The brain is a machine which has &#8220;bad quality control&#8221; during &#8220;manufacturing&#8221; there is a lot of variability and the chance for defects and inconsistencies.</p>
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		<title>By: Robby</title>
		<link>http://marc.perkel.com/2004/12/26/more-thoughts-on-gay-marriage/#comment-4548</link>
		<dc:creator>Robby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that everyonein here saying "leave the "Gays" alone, they can't help that they are "Gay", they were born that way". If im not mistaken, Love is a feeling not a natural born instinct. I was born in love and the "Gays" weren't born "Gay". Obviously for those of you who disagree with the Cats and Dogs thing, you didnt really take the time to actually really read and think about it. You just said, "Eww, this is about not legallizing gay marriage. It's stupid and it doesnt make sense.". Well, it does! It makes absolutely perfect sense and Kudos to the writer for such an absolutely briliant observation. Im not totally against gay marriage because if you dont allow it, they are still going to be together whether or not they are married. Im just saying that everyone is so secluded to their own opinion and they are not looking at both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that everyonein here saying &#8220;leave the &#8220;Gays&#8221; alone, they can&#8217;t help that they are &#8220;Gay&#8221;, they were born that way&#8221;. If im not mistaken, Love is a feeling not a natural born instinct. I was born in love and the &#8220;Gays&#8221; weren&#8217;t born &#8220;Gay&#8221;. Obviously for those of you who disagree with the Cats and Dogs thing, you didnt really take the time to actually really read and think about it. You just said, &#8220;Eww, this is about not legallizing gay marriage. It&#8217;s stupid and it doesnt make sense.&#8221;. Well, it does! It makes absolutely perfect sense and Kudos to the writer for such an absolutely briliant observation. Im not totally against gay marriage because if you dont allow it, they are still going to be together whether or not they are married. Im just saying that everyone is so secluded to their own opinion and they are not looking at both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://marc.perkel.com/2004/12/26/more-thoughts-on-gay-marriage/#comment-4547</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage is just a word and you're arguments are about it's definition.  You seem to have a pre-conceived notion of what the word "marriage" means and that is clouding your argument. You attempted to break the defintion down and rebuild it but you didn't go all the way - you stopped short with what you already feel marriage means so your argument is begging the question.

I you don't understand what I mean, think about why you think "Civil Union" is different from "Marriage".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage is just a word and you&#8217;re arguments are about it&#8217;s definition.  You seem to have a pre-conceived notion of what the word &#8220;marriage&#8221; means and that is clouding your argument. You attempted to break the defintion down and rebuild it but you didn&#8217;t go all the way - you stopped short with what you already feel marriage means so your argument is begging the question.</p>
<p>I you don&#8217;t understand what I mean, think about why you think &#8220;Civil Union&#8221; is different from &#8220;Marriage&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: vortican</title>
		<link>http://marc.perkel.com/2004/12/26/more-thoughts-on-gay-marriage/#comment-4546</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2005 02:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't believe this would be an issue except that there is a large movement to BAN it altogether.  It's not about granting rights so much as DENYING rights.  As someone already said, the Constitution and laws in general exist to define what kind of behavior is not acceptable, not what is acceptable.  If something is not illegal, then it is considered acceptable.  The problem is the fools that decide to outlaw something that is neither dangerous nor harmful, but something they simply don't agree with.

I must also point out that the vast majority of people don't get married for the legal benefits.  American culture recognizes marriage as a spiritual and personal union first, a legal one second, so I don't think if gay marriage were legal on a federal level we would have drinking buddies getting married so they can catch more tax breaks, and I don't believe if people were allowed to marry anyone they choose, we'd have sons wedding their mothers and brothers marrying their sisters.  Sure, there are some who might, but there are some who do that now, purely for the legal benefits.

If all you've heard from gays is how they want the benefits from traditional marriage, then perhaps you haven't heard from the right gays.  My experience has been that gays love the same and simply want the same treatment as heterosexuals.

Why should they not have it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe this would be an issue except that there is a large movement to BAN it altogether.  It&#8217;s not about granting rights so much as DENYING rights.  As someone already said, the Constitution and laws in general exist to define what kind of behavior is not acceptable, not what is acceptable.  If something is not illegal, then it is considered acceptable.  The problem is the fools that decide to outlaw something that is neither dangerous nor harmful, but something they simply don&#8217;t agree with.</p>
<p>I must also point out that the vast majority of people don&#8217;t get married for the legal benefits.  American culture recognizes marriage as a spiritual and personal union first, a legal one second, so I don&#8217;t think if gay marriage were legal on a federal level we would have drinking buddies getting married so they can catch more tax breaks, and I don&#8217;t believe if people were allowed to marry anyone they choose, we&#8217;d have sons wedding their mothers and brothers marrying their sisters.  Sure, there are some who might, but there are some who do that now, purely for the legal benefits.</p>
<p>If all you&#8217;ve heard from gays is how they want the benefits from traditional marriage, then perhaps you haven&#8217;t heard from the right gays.  My experience has been that gays love the same and simply want the same treatment as heterosexuals.</p>
<p>Why should they not have it?</p>
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		<title>By: Tomocius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomocius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of the post here that support the idea of "gay" unions, marriages, or any other name that you call it.

The only problem that I have with it, I have stated here before. I will now ramble through it again. 

Most of the arguments that I have heard from gays about their right to marriage stems from fairness in benefits. Very seldom do you hear a gay couple argue that they love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together. If that was their argument there is nothing that stops them from spending their lives together.

The argument is benefits. Married people share benefits that other "couples" do not. If I die (GOD forbid), my wife inherits all of my worldly possesions, tax free. If a gay guy dies (GOD forbid) his gay partner does not inherit his worldly possesions, tax free. They want to be allowed to be married so that they can have the benefits of matrimony. Is that okay? Read on before you answer that question.

If a gay couple is afforded that benefit, then EVERYONE should be afforded that benefit. Is that okay? I hope you still agree. 

Let's say that a man is bi-sexual. At the time of his death both of his partners should be allowed to share equally in his worldly possesions, tax free. If you do not agree I have to ask why a gay person should be given a benefit that is not afford to a bi-person?

Wait there is more.

If Mr. and Mrs. Jones next door are married and Mr. Jones dies (GOD forbid) and Mrs. Jones inherits all of his wordly possesions, tax free. Is it not then fair that I be able to wed my mother? If my dear old MILLIONAIRE mother dies (GOD forbid) I will inherit all of her wordly possesions. But that will not be tax free. Our tax addicted government will take 50% and leave me 50%. Now, if I were allowed to marry my mother I would inherit all of her wordly possesions at the time of her death ... TAX FREE.

Should I not be allowed to marry whomever I want to, even if it is JUST to acquire some benfit that is afforded to someone else.

Wealthy parents should be allowed to marry ALL of their offspring. 

Curt is probably closest on this, government should get out of the marriage business. They ONLY got involved so that they could sell us some bullshit marriage license anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the post here that support the idea of &#8220;gay&#8221; unions, marriages, or any other name that you call it.</p>
<p>The only problem that I have with it, I have stated here before. I will now ramble through it again. </p>
<p>Most of the arguments that I have heard from gays about their right to marriage stems from fairness in benefits. Very seldom do you hear a gay couple argue that they love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together. If that was their argument there is nothing that stops them from spending their lives together.</p>
<p>The argument is benefits. Married people share benefits that other &#8220;couples&#8221; do not. If I die (GOD forbid), my wife inherits all of my worldly possesions, tax free. If a gay guy dies (GOD forbid) his gay partner does not inherit his worldly possesions, tax free. They want to be allowed to be married so that they can have the benefits of matrimony. Is that okay? Read on before you answer that question.</p>
<p>If a gay couple is afforded that benefit, then EVERYONE should be afforded that benefit. Is that okay? I hope you still agree. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say that a man is bi-sexual. At the time of his death both of his partners should be allowed to share equally in his worldly possesions, tax free. If you do not agree I have to ask why a gay person should be given a benefit that is not afford to a bi-person?</p>
<p>Wait there is more.</p>
<p>If Mr. and Mrs. Jones next door are married and Mr. Jones dies (GOD forbid) and Mrs. Jones inherits all of his wordly possesions, tax free. Is it not then fair that I be able to wed my mother? If my dear old MILLIONAIRE mother dies (GOD forbid) I will inherit all of her wordly possesions. But that will not be tax free. Our tax addicted government will take 50% and leave me 50%. Now, if I were allowed to marry my mother I would inherit all of her wordly possesions at the time of her death &#8230; TAX FREE.</p>
<p>Should I not be allowed to marry whomever I want to, even if it is JUST to acquire some benfit that is afforded to someone else.</p>
<p>Wealthy parents should be allowed to marry ALL of their offspring. </p>
<p>Curt is probably closest on this, government should get out of the marriage business. They ONLY got involved so that they could sell us some bullshit marriage license anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: curt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2005 13:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most people here.

Language is flexible.  Definitions/ideas change with the times.  Years ago marriage between the races was seen as wrong.  For some people it still is.

I really don't care what gay people do with other gay people.  If they want to get "married" and live together, etc. then they should be able to.  

The govt should stay out of the marriage business entirely.  Let churches or other religious organizations deal with it.  If the Catholics don't accept gays, then they shouldn't be forced to marry them.  If another church wants to marry them, they should be able to.

To sum up: I don't think it's any business of Marc's what gays call their relationships.  If they want to call them marriages, then they should.  If that upsets Marc, then he should ignore them or heckle them from a distance.  But no one should take his definition any more seriously than the gays'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most people here.</p>
<p>Language is flexible.  Definitions/ideas change with the times.  Years ago marriage between the races was seen as wrong.  For some people it still is.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t care what gay people do with other gay people.  If they want to get &#8220;married&#8221; and live together, etc. then they should be able to.  </p>
<p>The govt should stay out of the marriage business entirely.  Let churches or other religious organizations deal with it.  If the Catholics don&#8217;t accept gays, then they shouldn&#8217;t be forced to marry them.  If another church wants to marry them, they should be able to.</p>
<p>To sum up: I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s any business of Marc&#8217;s what gays call their relationships.  If they want to call them marriages, then they should.  If that upsets Marc, then he should ignore them or heckle them from a distance.  But no one should take his definition any more seriously than the gays&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: stew</title>
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		<dc:creator>stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with Jay, leave the gay folks alone. Let them get married if they like. I don't want to go down your road Karel and Mance. This is two or three different discussions with little to do with our original thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Jay, leave the gay folks alone. Let them get married if they like. I don&#8217;t want to go down your road Karel and Mance. This is two or three different discussions with little to do with our original thought.</p>
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		<title>By: DougK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DougK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as Americans being intolerant, I think that is a bunch of BS.  Nor do I think that everyone that is opposed to gay marriage is a hateful sexual orientation bigot.

I really believe most Americans feel that your sexuality is your own business, and it is.  Our problem is that we split legal hairs all the time.

I think tha actual term "marriage" is a religous one just like "bible" and "Priest"  If there is to be a separation of church and state, then this is not a matter for the government at all.  It shouldn't be explicitly legal or illegal.

A constitutional ammendment banning gay marriage is a bunch of BS too.  Our constitution is about what we can do, not what we can't.

If the government recognized civil unions, most of us would not really give a shit.  Let us also extend the marriage tax penalty to include civil unions along with the inheritence law interpretation junk.

I guess what I want is a reason why.  Why are gays wanting the term "marriage" at all?  Is this really about equal protection?  Do I as a married, heterosexual man really have any additional protections?  Is this really about gays having the need for society to sanction their behavior, or are there real additional rights to be claimed?

I know that divorce lawyers are chomping at the bit to get these marriages recognized.  This is not necessarily a dig at the short-term, unstable relationship stereotype of gay relatonships, it is a simple fact.  More marriages = more divorces = richer lawyers.

What a screwed up country</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Americans being intolerant, I think that is a bunch of BS.  Nor do I think that everyone that is opposed to gay marriage is a hateful sexual orientation bigot.</p>
<p>I really believe most Americans feel that your sexuality is your own business, and it is.  Our problem is that we split legal hairs all the time.</p>
<p>I think tha actual term &#8220;marriage&#8221; is a religous one just like &#8220;bible&#8221; and &#8220;Priest&#8221;  If there is to be a separation of church and state, then this is not a matter for the government at all.  It shouldn&#8217;t be explicitly legal or illegal.</p>
<p>A constitutional ammendment banning gay marriage is a bunch of BS too.  Our constitution is about what we can do, not what we can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If the government recognized civil unions, most of us would not really give a shit.  Let us also extend the marriage tax penalty to include civil unions along with the inheritence law interpretation junk.</p>
<p>I guess what I want is a reason why.  Why are gays wanting the term &#8220;marriage&#8221; at all?  Is this really about equal protection?  Do I as a married, heterosexual man really have any additional protections?  Is this really about gays having the need for society to sanction their behavior, or are there real additional rights to be claimed?</p>
<p>I know that divorce lawyers are chomping at the bit to get these marriages recognized.  This is not necessarily a dig at the short-term, unstable relationship stereotype of gay relatonships, it is a simple fact.  More marriages = more divorces = richer lawyers.</p>
<p>What a screwed up country</p>
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		<title>By: Karel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sorry for the way you grew up, Mance.  Being a foster kid is tough, no matter how good, or rotten, your foster parents were.

I was paraphrasing from a study done in my state on gay adoptions.  Needless to say, this study concluded that gay adoptions were better.  Of course, it didn't say how much better..lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry for the way you grew up, Mance.  Being a foster kid is tough, no matter how good, or rotten, your foster parents were.</p>
<p>I was paraphrasing from a study done in my state on gay adoptions.  Needless to say, this study concluded that gay adoptions were better.  Of course, it didn&#8217;t say how much better..lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Mance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, you wanted to ask a kid in foster care, so you have.

I was raised in foster care until the age of 6.  I'd rather be in foster care than living with two fathers or two mothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, you wanted to ask a kid in foster care, so you have.</p>
<p>I was raised in foster care until the age of 6.  I&#8217;d rather be in foster care than living with two fathers or two mothers.</p>
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