Islam is a religion that totally sucks. I don't see any redeaming value in it at all. This is a religion that is based on violence and holy wars. They are a religion based on murder and terrorism. Any claim to the contrary is bullshit.
The word "assassin" comes from the Muslim faith. They use their children for bombs. The use their wives and sisters for bombs. They murder each other. Women are stoned to death for being raped. They teach their children to die as martyrs in their schools. Many countries don't allow women to read or drive cars. They are slaves and have no rights under the rules of the religion.
They would probably kill me for saying this if they had a chance. And - even though much of what Isreal is doing to Muslims because Jews are also a terrorist religion who freely kill non-jews - I just can't get real excited about defending Palistinians from Jewish oppression when they are a culture of violence themselves.
Marc, you reduce your credibility substantially with posts like that.
Posted by: Alex Libman at March 24, 2004 06:47 PMYou need to go one step further. Religion is the problem, all religion.
Posted by: kerry aldrich at March 24, 2004 07:31 PMTo the previous posters:
Alex: Islam does in fact have racism built into it. The Koran does actually state something to the effect that while on Islamic people should be allowed to keep their churches/shrines, they shouldn't be allowed to maintain them. It also says something to the effect of that it is okay to charge extra taxes from a non-Islamic person. Read the book The Trouble with Islam by Irshad Manji.
Franci/Kerry: I wouldn't say ALL religion causes problems. Religion can be used to do a lot of good as well. The truth is, some people need religion because they're too lazy to attempt to figure out things for themselves. And I don't see any problems with The Church of Reality. And a TRUE Christian would never resort to violence. Anyone who condones violence in the name of any Christian-based religion is a fraud (and I recognize that there are many of those out there).
And to all... how EXACTLY is Marc making an ass of himself? I want specifics! I know for a fact that his statments "Women are stoned to death for being raped" and "They murder each other" are factually correct.
Marc may be endangering himself, and he may be considered to be rude, but for him to make an ass of himself, he would have to say something completely ridiculous and/or complete wrong... and what he is saying is more right than wrong.
Posted by: Peter at March 25, 2004 08:20 AMThe statement is too sweeping of the one religion (Islam) when all "religions" can be shown as guilty of the same thing (sucking) because of their history in violence and seperatism...
Christianity - was used to justify the taking over of lands and people (unruly savages/hethens)
KKK and the cross etc.
Catholicism - justified its actions and violence to rape and pilage (Spanish Inquisition). Claiming other cultures as heretics to the religion. The taking of gold from Mayan/Incan empires...
Judaism - Jew & Gentile...is there a seperatist hierarchy there???
Look at the middle east situation...
You can go on and on...
So you are not going to see one religion as better or worse than the other unless you are a patron of any of the respective religions and then it depends on how big your horse blinders are...
I still agree with a lot of your views Marc... ;)
Posted by: humper at March 25, 2004 10:07 AMWell, he doesn't just attack Islam. He has problems with other religions too. Christianity and Judaism, for example.
see http://www.churchofreality.org/opinion/christian.htm
http://www.churchofreality.org/opinion/jews.htm
The problem, in my opinion, is extremism. If the 911 hijackers didn't think they were going to paradise, I doubt they'd of slammed those planes into the buildings.
People have to learn there are shades of gray to be accounted for. Nothing's black and white. Those dualistic (ALL GOOD VS ALL EVIL) worldviews are dangerous. Doesn't matter if it's George Bush or Osama bin Laden.
Posted by: curt at March 26, 2004 05:24 AMExtremist Islam and indeed extreme anything, is a better way of putting it, true. Marc, I was never a religious person, but after reading your beliefs on god etc. it really made me think and consider the insanity of organized religion.
Posted by: chris at March 26, 2004 12:42 PMI hate to have to poke a pin in someone I agree with, but I ask you, "Just what are you trying to accomplish with this flame?"
The brutality of Shriah law is a well known, well documented, and widely desseminated fact. Why did you feel that this over-the-top blanket condemnation was necessary? The Islamic faith also has its share of moderates who argue strenuously for a live-and-let-live position not unlike the moderates of every other well-established religion in the world. Alienating these folks is the most damaging thing you can do if your goal is to do battle with extreamism.
Speaking as a very hard-core atheist (the theory of 'soul' is a crock of shit), I found your rant to be naive in the extreame. There have numerous politically motovated suicide protests and suicidal military strikes not motovated by religion. Furthermore, charecterization of the suicide bombings as purely motovated by martyrdom is a gross distortion of the on the ground realities of the situation (though it may indeed drive some of the teenage boys). The primary motovation that drives the bombers are anger at opression not religious zeal. They have been indoctrinated to give that anger a religious framework, but religion is not the basis of their hatred. As long as we fail to face-up to that fact, the bloodbath will only escalate.
Posted by: Joe at March 28, 2004 08:21 PMTo Joe, regarding your statement "The Islamic faith also has its share of moderates who argue strenuously for a live-and-let-live position not unlike the moderates of every other well-established religion in the world."
The difference with Islam seems to be that it is the extremists, not the moderates, that are running things.
There are plenty of moderate Islamic people in North America. But go to somewhere like Palestine and see how many Islamic leaders would be considered to be 'moderate'.
Posted by: Peter at March 29, 2004 08:29 AMSay Marc, ever heard of the Inquisition? Guess what? Many JEWS fled the CHRISTIAN Inquisition. Guess where some of them went? To MUSLIM countries where the major religion was ISLAM. They were allowed to build temples and worship in peace. That's not to say everyone got along perfectly. However, they were not actively persecuted as they had been in the CHRISTIAN countries they fled from. They had the Koran(sp?) back then too. But those were the good muslims vs. the evil muslims that exist today.
Posted by: boogy at March 29, 2004 06:44 PMI dont know enough about all the religions of the world to decide which is better than the remainder. My comment is purely based on my experience here in the west and in an Arab land.
I worked on an airport in Oman, obviously it had a busy main road closeby. People would descend on the Airport without prior notice anticipating getting one of the free flights within the Kingdom offered. The idea they might have to wait did not appear to faze them. One family took up residence right outside the main gate for a few days. When it was time to go there was little time, as a consequence a Ghetto Blaster was left. This remianed exactly where left for two weeks. I might also add I owned a new motorcycle while there and I never took the keys out, nor did I lock it. Can any Westerner honestly say their society is better than one where theft is completely irradicated, not through persecution but through common decency.
In general, must agree with MR. We are in danger
from them in America. They hate our link to Is-
rael (spelling: Israel). We must defend our
future. They must be stopped and kept under sur-
veillance. The mosque is becoming a terrorist
weapon, and must be challenged and eliminated
from our peaceful society. We are all in danger.
Think of the future. It must be without their
threats and potential damages. They are a FIFTH
COLUMN in America. No doubt about it. We are
sick of their terrorism, lies and evasions, and hatred for Israel and America. They must not
ever succeed in America. Death and double death to all suicide bombers. They are a disgrace to
all humanity. We must not yield.
In general, must agree with MR. We are in danger
from them in America. They hate our link to Is-
rael (spelling: Israel). We must defend our
future. They must be stopped and kept under sur-
veillance. The mosque is becoming a terrorist
weapon, and must be challenged and eliminated
from our peaceful society. We are all in danger.
Think of the future. It must be without their
threats and potential damages. They are a FIFTH
COLUMN in America. No doubt about it. We are
sick of their terrorism, lies and evasions, and hatred for Israel and America. They must not
ever succeed in America. Death and double death to all suicide bombers. They are a disgrace to
all humanity. We must not yield.
In general, must agree with MR. We are in danger
from them in America. They hate our link to Is-
rael (spelling: Israel). We must defend our
future. They must be stopped and kept under sur-
veillance. The mosque is becoming a terrorist
weapon, and must be challenged and eliminated
from our peaceful society. We are all in danger.
Think of the future. It must be without their
threats and potential damages. They are a FIFTH
COLUMN in America. No doubt about it. We are
sick of their terrorism, lies and evasions, and hatred for Israel and America. They must not
ever succeed in America. Death and double death to all suicide bombers. They are a disgrace to
all humanity. We must not yield.
I am an arab, and I agree that Islam is the worst religeon in the world. I grew up in Syria, but later moved to Turkey, and then to Germany.
I am proud that my father was strong and smart enough to get my family out of that turmoil. There is no good in Islam, nor the middle east.
I praise all countries for standing up against those who have perished for so long.
Posted by: Hussein at April 13, 2004 07:27 PMHussin you should be ashamed to say your arab and say all these things about islam. Do me a favour change your name to something else also. Something like zionist preacher.
Posted by: whatelse at April 27, 2004 04:39 PMYou all are lunatics.. ISLAM does not suck. If your country stops backing up israel something might change. Your minds are soo twisted. You can't even see where the problem is. Its just one problem the jews taking over the palestinian land and horassing the palestinian people and as a result of hatred and helplessness the palestinians have only one choice.. hey this is a human thing it has nothing to do with religion. Forget religion for a minute. What will you do if your mother dies infront of you or your father dies infront of you? as a result of some jews coming and destroying your house or killing your people have you forgotten the story of RAcheal corey. Wake up. NOne of you know what you are talking about. And all of you are brainwashed!!! PERIODDD
Hey hey hey!!....hold it guys.....i am here for the fist time....i am a Muslim.....and my name is Muhammad Hamza ....and i teach Islamiat (Islamic Study) in University of Lahore...from your conversation...it is my very humble opinion that you all are totally ignorant about this cool religion...!!....i suggest that you read the Koran, and you have any questions, i,ll be happy to answer it in a short and understandable way...i live in Pakistan , and trust me, there is no such thing as a woman stoned to death in pakistan, or women not driving, or women under veils...etc etc......i just cant believe your assumptions on this religion!!!....
Posted by: Hamza at April 29, 2004 10:53 AMHm...I was really excited when I found this site until I saw that post....WOW...what kind of comment IS THAT? Marc, you are surrounded by Muslims in the States...how many of them tried to kill you? I just don't get it- how someone as smart and as educated as you could give into media bull- If I had a name for how many Christians were murderers, or Jews, or Athiests...does that make that ideology wrong? Heck no. People do not represent the religion. Bush does not represent America- so don't generalize. I just moved to the Mid East and have been learning a ton about Islam. It's sad that you get your info from a couple news channels rather than delving into it yourself- give it a shot, what have you got to lose? Islam tells you to protect yourself and protect your land- don't be passive. Let's be realistic, as much as we like to act all elegant and be peaceniks, some things are not bearable, if ANY one saw their mother being raped in Abu Gharib, or saw a bulldozer run over their house while their dad was in it...tell me what you would do? Now imagine that happened to ALL your friends and neighbours? Islam says that the rule of law and justice must be put down, even if it means being a vigilante- hard to understand? Live in Palestine for a WEEK, then talk to me.
Posted by: Darah Rateb at May 14, 2004 05:27 AMWord out to Hussein: Have you EVER read the Koran? Have you ever studied the relgion? It's fun for all of us to take the easy root, take a couple lines and bash the entire religion, but tell me how many people know the Koran by heart, as well as the prophet's life story and sayings, and can say the relgion sucks: I haven't met one! That's why Islam is the fastest growing relgion in the world. But it takes brains and efforts; you have both, use them.
Posted by: Darah Rateb at May 14, 2004 05:30 AMIslam is a religion of hate, plain and simple.
Posted by: Oinoe at May 26, 2004 01:18 PM"Take not the Jews and Christians as friends....Slay the idolaters [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them.... Fight against such...as believe not in Allah..." (Surah 5:51; 9:5,29,41,
This is not the "Prophet of Peace"
Mohammed was in fact a terrorist, criminal and murderer whose entire life was based on victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless violence, carnage and massacre, and justifying his actions by brainwashing his followers to accept him as the successor of Jesus. He was a man who destroyed peace wherever he went, and in its place brought terror, carnage and death. In this day and age we would even consider Mohammed a pedophile. Even "Sahih Al-Bukhari" says Muhammad was married to a 6 year old Jewish girl, while he was 51, and he slept with his 11 wives in one night. Safiyah, the 6 year old Jewish girl whose family members were slaughtered by Mohammed, was made to undergo this legalized rape on the day her family was killed..
Another example of the peaceful prophet without sin was on four merchants traveling to Mecca to sell their goods. It was the holy month of Rejeb which was considered sacred for trade in Arabia. It was a point of honor that any form of warfare or violence was strictly forbidden in this month. Mohammed's gang attacked the helpless men from behind and stabbed two of them to death. They plundered all the goods as booty and Mohammed got one fifths of the share.
The Prophet of Islam did not possess a shred of pity or kindness, or the slightest sense of justice. He murdered two innocent people in cold blood. Mohammed was obviously motivated by hatred and greed.
Conveniently divine revelations came down from Allah that absolved him of all the guilt.
Koran 2:216
'Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not.'
Here Mohammed is completely removing all blame from himself. The most insidious and devilish implication of this verse is that Allah is completely justifying Mohammed's murder of the innocent Meccans. Over and above this Mohammed is conveniently implying that warfare is hateful to him, but he participated in it because it was ordained by Allah! What sacrifices the 'Apostle of Peace' had to make!
His gangs constantly attacked caravans to gain booty and harm Mecca. In one accounted incident a caravan worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars was taken by Mohammed and 300 of his men. The people of Meca sent an army to challenge Mohammed. The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.
This time Mohammed needed a revelation that would not only absolve him of all the guilt for murdering so many innocent people, but also give him the 'divine' right to get a huge share of the plundered booty. Quite a few revelations magically appeared after the battle of Badr.
Koran 8:65
'O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast, they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence'.
No Free Speech for Mohammed
Like any good modern day Arab dictator critics and challenges were dealt with by killing them. Two famous poets of Medina, who had the courage to criticize the murderous actions of Mohammed and his gang, Abu 'Afak; and Asthma bint Marwan used poetry to influence peoples conscience against the self proclaimed prophet. When Mohamed heard the verses composed by Asthma Bint Marwan he was infuriated and screamed aloud, 'Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan!' That very night a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. They broke into the poets' house. She was lying in her bedroom suckling her newborn child, while her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims tore the newborn infant off her breast and hacked it to pieces before her very eyes. They then made her watch the murder of all four of her children, before raping and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. After the murder when the Muslims went to inform the Prophet, he said 'You have done a service to Allah and his Messenger, her life was not worth even two goats.
A month later the distinguished and highly respected Abu Afak, who was said to be over a hundred years old was killed brutally in the same manner as he slept. Once again the "Prophet" had commented that morning 'Who will avenge me on this scoundrel!'
The Battle with the Quraiza Jews
Mohammed marched with 3,000 followers against 2,000 Quraiza Jews, shortly after the siege of Medina ended. The Jews were attacked and they soon surrendered. A wounded chief named Sa'd was asked by Mohammed to decide the fate of the captives. His response was that the men should be put to death, the women and children sold into slavery, and the booty be divided among the Islamic army. Mohammed then said; "Truly, the judgment of Sa'd is the judgment of the Lord, pronounced on high from above the seventh heaven".
The Muslims dug trenches across from the marketplace, and in the morning Mohammed commanded that the male captives be brought out 5-6 at a time. The Jews were made to sit down at the top of the trenches. Next, the Muslims beheaded them and tossed their bodies into the trench. This sickening butchery by the "Prophet of God" lasted all day. It continued into the night by torchlight.
Islamic leaders who criticize the west for being heathens are the same people that use Allah to justify death by offering Muslim terrorist martyrdom and sex with virgins in heaven. Muslims may challenge my sample of the many murderess acts of Mohammed or even be offended but the actions of Arabs today echo the teachings of their prophet. Critics will say that Christianity has blood on its hands as well, but there hasn’t been a crusade in 600 years, but Jihad is still taught today. The west has found a way to separate its religions from government, and for the most part chose the more moderate versions of their religions to live with tolerance. All I am saying is a revolution better take in Arabia to rid the world of these extremists that want to live in the middle ages, or a war of cultures will have to come.
I'd hate to break it to you religion bashers, but even if you do not believe in a god you are still religious! EVERYBODY has a religion. Religion is a belief system, even if it doesn't involve a deity, may it be humanism, darwanism, new age movement, etc.
Posted by: Steve Hanson at June 8, 2004 02:05 PMEnough sophistry, enough deification and defication.
Islam will be a historical footnote, slaughtered by her western brethern for her emotional tirades.
Sleep well Caliph moon, sleep well Christian sun - homoreligious will follow soon enough.
You are entirely correct in your characterization of Islam. Not only does it indeed "suck," but it is also the most dangerous and ubiquitous problem facing the world today. This morning's beheading of Mr. Johnson only confirms the hatred, fundamnetalism, and extremist of Islam.
I personally propose several responses to the murder (terrorism, historically, has only been defeated by iron-fisted response):
1) The execution of every Muslim held in US Military prisons. The more ghastly, the more violent, the more universally-broadcasted the better - terrorists must live in fear to be put down.
2) Justice for every Muslim insurgent living among Americans in our country - that is, the just killing of all of them. They must be rooted out and destroyed.
and finally:
3) The complete and utter destruction of a major Islamic city - for example, Mecca. Such a firebombing campaign would result in the death of over a million Muslims (not close to the eventual goal of a billion, but a good start) and the destruction of their pathetic holy sites.
Only when every Muslim has met their deserved fate (death), can we truly consider the war on terror complete.
Posted by: A Rational Solution at June 18, 2004 02:36 PMAll religions are an affront to basic intelligence. I knew all the relious stories were nonsense when I was 12. I just knew it. It was so darn obvious, and, frankly, not in need of explaining. It was just so obvious. How can everyone not see how darn obvious it is that all religion is utter crap?
Posted by: militant atheist at June 19, 2004 12:16 PMSome people need to know more about Islam.
Go here www.islamfact.com and take off your black glasses to see clearly.
Be human ... use your head.
Posted by: Saud at June 28, 2004 05:18 AMAn atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new Muslim students to stand and...
Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?
Student: Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student: Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm!
(Student is silent.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student: No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From...God...
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student: Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student: Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student: No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold.
We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light... But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it?
In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)
Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)
Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student: Is there anyone, here, who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?... No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student: That is it sir. The link between man & God is FAITH.
That is all that keeps things moving & alive.
Wow! Outstanding thread... for the entertainment value, at least.
Okay, I'm going out on a limb here. First, I appear to be the only Christian to weigh in so please don't dismiss me "off-hand" without at least a first read...
I disagree with much, agree with some, and believe some of you miss the greater point altogether. So, at the risk of pissing off EVERYONE on this thread, here goes...
First, ALL RELIGION IS FLAWED! Okay, not new here, but let me explain… By definition, RELIGION is man’s attempt to reach God (Allah, Buddha, Krishna, etc.) by man’s own effort of works – however those works are understood and accepted. If you (all) are intellectually honest with yourself, you will have to conclude that all religions are basically a set of rules by which man is to obey in order to earn acceptance into the presence of God (ibid), save one that I’ll come back to shortly.
The one constant thread that permeates all of the religions previously mentioned is that man must obey the precepts contained therein and pay a penalty of some sort for failing to do so. At the end of life, if one’s record of deeds weighs in favor of having done more good deeds than bad, obeying more than disobeying, that he/she is entitled to acceptance before God. After all, if God is good, fair, and you met the test, you should be “in.”
Man is constantly on a “treadmill” of behavior that takes him from a state of acceptance to rejection and back again! Tragic!
Okay, since I’m the Christian here so far, I’ll come clean with my perspective and why it’s different, correct, and easily defendable; though most of you will not be persuaded.
First, let me agree with most (perhaps all) of you when you say that terrible things have been done in the name of Christianity and has done nothing but stain the name of Jesus! Sad, but true. The Inquisition, true. Hitler, claiming to due what he did and trying to frame a justification cloaked in Christian doctrine, pitiful… Yep, I cannot deny it… However, none of that’s NOT CHRISTIANITY!
This is true Christianity – for the record! Christianity is NOT A RELIGION, IT’S A RELATIONSHIP! That’s right, a relationship… I’ll explain. The problem isn’t Islam, Buddhism, etc. – it’s MAN! Man is the problem because we all fall short of being perfect, holy, blameless, beyond reproach, just as God is. There is not one of you here who is honest can say that you have been perfect all the days of your life! Not one! Me included… God knew that you wouldn’t be and had a really big problem. Go with me on this one for a moment. I’ll wrap it up soon, I promise…
God’s problem? How can He accept you, a filthy, no good, unclean, imperfect, defiled human into His presence, disregard all of that, and with a strait face proclaim He is just, fair, and righteous? He can’t! He said so Himself. Imagine the argument put forth by Satan, rightfully so, given that apparent paradox. God is willing to forgive and forget all of sin and debauchery (true), but how would that be fair to Satan? Why not just wipe his transgressions under the rug and let bygones be bygones? Fair argument. It turns out that God CANNOT just wipe sin under the rug, but must exact justice for the violation of His character and remain righteous, holy, and pure. Sin must be punished. However God loves His creation, IN SPITE OF MAN’S CONDITION! As wild as that seems, and it is wild, it’s true. So what’s a God to do? He had a brilliant remedy – Jesus Christ!
When Jesus Christ voluntarily stepped out of eternity and into time to become man so that he could fully experience manhood like you and me, He set in motion the one alternative that would satisfy God’s righteousness and justice while providing a way to reconcile man to Himself. Since sin must be punished, and the only punishment suitable for violating God’s character is death, which means eternal separation, our sin must be punished accordingly. However, instead of God punishing you or me, He placed the guilt of us all on Jesus, who knew no sin of his own, and punished Him on our behalf! Since Jesus had no sin of His own and was fully man, he could fully qualify to pay for the sins of every man, woman, and child who would ever live! He has that much value in God’s sight. Imagine the cost to God! It cost Him everything, the death of His own son, to make eternity a free gift to you, simply and freely for the asking!
Why? Simply because He loves you! He made you! He wants a relationship with you! If you think that’s impossible because you’re not worthy, don’t worry, you’re not. None of us are! That’s the good news (or Gospel) you’ve heard so much about! You have a pardon with your name on it in heaven. All you have to do is claim it by faith and let the Lord change your life FROM THE INSIDE OUT! No amount of good deeds could ever do enough to equal the perfection of a Holy and Righteous God; but the perfection and righteousness of Christ are yours, if you want it and simply claim it by a simple act of the will – no more, no less.
The reality is NO ONE WILL GO TO HELL for the sins common to man; those you are thinking of right about now. Why? Christ paid for them – ALL OF THEM on the cross! The only sin for which Christ could not pay, the one that will lead you tragically to an eternity separated from the presence of your Creator, is the outright rejection of Christ and the gift of salvation He died to make available freely to you! It is very much the same thing that if I told you I have a present for you but you need to come over to my place and claim it (pick it up), you won’t receive the benefits of it until you do claim it. It’s still yours. It has your name on it. I paid for it for you, but you cannot benefit from it until you decide to claim it. I urge you to claim your gift of salvation! It’s yours!
You are the beneficiary of a love story, written in blood, on a wooden cross, erected in Judea some 2,000 years ago. A love story of a Father to His child – you!
So my friends, hopefully you see that true Christianity is NOT A RELIGION because it depends not on what you do by way of deeds, but what Christ has already done in order to reconcile you to the Father and restore a relationship that was once broken. I came in peace. I leave in peace… To all – peace…
Sorry, a simple post-script...
I mentioned that Christianity is NOT A RELIGION but IS A RELATIONSHIP - a relationship between you and God made possible by the finished work of Jesus on the cross. Anyone who would claim that Christianity is anything different does not know Christ. Read John 3:16, "... for God so loved the world that He gave is only begotten Son. That who ever believes in Him has eternal life and will never perish"
Christians aren't perfect. Far from it. We're forgiven and seeking Jesus moment-by-moment. Sometimes we fail, do really stupid things, and embarras ourselves and Jesus. We're still forgiven, God still loves and accepts us, and He will intervene to change our behavior - sometimes by way of the "Devine boot" up our rear ends, but always with the motive of turning us toward Him, not punishing us for the wrong we do. He already punished you - AT THE CROSS!
In closing, think of it this way. Punishment is always retribution for wrongs done in the past. Discipline is always corrective and leading to the future (behavior).
Just because some of us Christians don't act like it, do not confuse the rebellion of our flesh with the relationship of our spirit that's destined to be with the Father for eternity - even if some of us spend time in the "Devine woodshed" along the way!
Again, peace to all... :~)
I'm a non practicing Catholic. I have to agree with the general consensus here - all religion, not just Islam, is the problem. When religion becaomes so central in one's life and culture, it can only cause problem. The model of secular nations where religion is practiced and preached seperatly of god and policy is the only acceptable solution.
And to the primary poster - Catholics were as violent as fundamentalist islam is now - IRA in northern ireland, the inquisition, the crusades. In a sense fundamentalist islam is going through its own crusading period now. I can only hope that those that think the only thing that matters in life is religion have an awakening and realize its the common human family, not a belief in a far away father figure, that's important.
Posted by: Patrick at August 16, 2004 02:00 PMChristianity will prevail in this holy war against these "Muslim's who think Allah is god" They shall see lucifer in hell and burn for eternity!! I would like to see all muslims burn in hell!!!
Posted by: Joe at August 22, 2004 03:22 AMI agree with the people that say all religion is the problem. Organized religion is the source of all evil. Men use faith to control people. Christians may not create suicide bombers, but they convice young kids that condoms are bad, which leads to the spread of STDs and unwanted pregnancy. However, in my opinion Islam is the worst of them all becase they appear to have the largest percentage of violent extremists and are the least tolerant.
Posted by: Chris at September 3, 2004 11:39 AMIslam is a religion of Pieces. Pieces of blown up bodies. If Islam is a religion of piece, then dynamite is only candles. Just remember, these wackos believe that it is their religious duty to take back every bit of land that they have ever controlled in Islams' history. Say goodbye to Spain, I guess. Oh, and Greece too. This "religion" took the most sophisticated culture in the world at that time, and brought it back to the stone age. Nice job, Neaderthals!!
Posted by: steve at September 3, 2004 11:17 PMToday, my respect for the muslim faith reached a new low. I just witnessed moslem terrorists kill small children in a school in Russia. I never thought any man would be capable of that, but I was wrong. These cocksuckers are the worst form of vermin on the face of the earth. I think that Islam is not a real religion. It is bullshit. Real bullshit! I hope any moslem kid reading this will know that I don't hate them in any way, but I hope this will show them that their religion is fucked up big time. No two ways about that. If you are a moslem, please quit your mosque and tell your Moslem imam to shove the Koran straight up his asshole on the way out the door.
Posted by: John Lincoln at September 4, 2004 04:18 AMAnyone that would follow the teachings of a whacko like Mohammed has got to be off their rocker. Even if you are on the "live-and-let-live position" side of the "faith" you've still got to consider they're the rantings of a raving lunatic. When you factor in he say's to kill the infidels and people are still out to kill the infidels in his name....
Then there's the pope. Ok where was it in the New Testament I read that anybody other than god or your acceptance of christ can absolve anybody of anything? Of that's right...nowhere. But still people go through all the cerimonious Easters and "our fathers" and "hail mary"s and play with some beads and bow before idols and all is well because this really isn't as utterly pagan as it actually looks....
human, sorry but since that's a totally old and plagiarized cliche I must say it's the lamest argument ever faked by anyone of any faith. Chain-letter garbage with no basis and so open to being cut to pieces I won't bother going through it here. No offense but, really dOOd.
Jesus? I've nothing against the man if in fact he ever existed but the followers of him his brothers(Buddha et al) and his father in all his forms have done much pillaging. Organized feeds on the power of intoxication and the intoxication of power. Look at the folks in the little southern states churches and how drunk they get on the word. Imagine the power given to you when you're leader says somthing like "Go kill that daughter of Marwan bitch". Adrenaline pumps, you go get some tane and chop some meat and com back all pumped and all is as well as you feel with god and your god deed for him and you even feel more important to god and so feel more powerful and... It's all emotional hooplah born of endorphines and crap.
Orgainized religion *is* a sin against man and the worst is undoubtedly Islam. Israel putting them down? No the Palestinians and Israelis are in a perpetual slap fight and my guess is the first to slap was the people who are out to kill the non-believers. You kill our olympic atheletes, we roll a tank into your front door... The settlement issue and the wall are just excuses for something that would happen anyway because Jihad won't end until there's nothing left but the muslims. It doesn't matter that the extremists are the ones in charge because the faith makes it illegal to take justice against them so enforcement by anyone is subject to some backlash of some kind. The muslim community doesn't try to police itself because it can't.
2 weeks in Gaza? Yeah right, like *that's* going to paint an accurate picture! Get some history. The apparent truth died long ago under the veils of the acts themselves. The real truth is written in "the word"s.
More drivellings of inebriated madmen:
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones" Psalm 137:9
Ok, so there's a typo or two.
Posted by: Pengerton at September 5, 2004 08:25 AMOy veh! Lame post...
Posted by: Eli Cheresh at September 5, 2004 10:36 AMIronic that most of the wars since the "Age of Christ" have been religion based. Not implicating any certain religion, hence the quotation marks.
Posted by: Kenza at September 7, 2004 06:10 PMThe so called holy prophet Mohammed was married to a little girl less than 10 yrs old!
That tells me everything I need to know about this evil religion that keeps women in a position ln life lower than a snakes belly and condones the destruction of infidels.
Idiots crawling around on a carpet praying to their god (Lucifer,Satan).Let's hope that between George and Vladmir we deal with these evil idiots sooner rather than later!
Hamza -- I am curious -- What is your response to Stefan?
Posted by: TNC at September 10, 2004 01:32 PMGod, I urge you not to negotiate with terrorists
Posted by: President George Bush at September 26, 2004 02:42 PMOrganized religion is not the problem. The problem is individuals, of any faith. In any organization, like in a septic tank, the big chunks float to the top. Give any man or woman a little authority and almost all of them will begin to exercise improper dominion over their fellow beings.
For the sake of argument, assume that God is a loving parent. Check out the scriptures of almost any religion on earth, and get to the core. They contain advice to God's children, things like "Play nice", "don't hit", "don't take things from other people", "respect me as your parent", and the like. This is a deliberate oversimplification. Even the Qur'an has things like this in it. Unfortunately, it also has a lot of hate and piss and ignorance and bigotry and conquest in it as well, which is reason enough for me to believe that even if it was ever an inspired document, the last 1400 years have been sufficient to corrupt it beyond redemption.
Add to this the fact that Islam has no central doctrinal authority, but rather every mullah who rules a mosque is pretty much lord of his little fiefdom. If he happens to be an ignorant, hate-filled bigot, hey, that's Islam for his congregation.
If Muslims in general want to be taken seriously as a "religion of peace", they'll get together and appoint a supreme authority or body or council of people that have half a grain of common sense. They'll excommunicate morons who sit in their mosques and preach hate and violence and blowing up women and children. They'll give up the concept of jihad, which basically includes converting the world to Islam and killing everyone who doesn't come along for the ride. Doing this will not solve the problems of terrorism or insurgency, but it would establish islam as a credible force for good and marginalize those who enjoy trampling others under their feet in the name of Allah. These jackasses would no longer be muslims, but something else again.
But I don't hold out any hope for this, because even educated muslims think this way for the most part. It's really a crime.
Posted by: ccdesan at November 16, 2004 03:07 PMAll religions suck! While there are some devout people who do good in the name of religion, on the whole, religion causes more violence and suffering than any other single factor in the history of mankind.
George Carlin said it best:
"Religion is like a crutch. Some people need a crutch to get around in life. But the big problem with religions is that they want to force everybody to use crutches whether they need them or not!"
As for the Muslim CULT (I refuse to call it a religion as it really was just a scam invented by Mohamed to raise an army of devout followers) I can only say that any "religion" that keeps its followers in the dark, disuades their followers to get better educated, and encourages them to follow and not THINK and DISCUSS things for themselves is a total sham!
Craig
Posted by: Craig at December 19, 2004 02:16 PMAll religions are controlling and have an agenda.
Religions are for the dumb and meek who like to follow the ancient b.s., and do not have clarity of thought, and strength to stand alone and deal with life. It is a form of groupism, and a means to survive by identifying with a group.
It takes stength of character and detrmination to deal with this life without leaning towards a group or idealogy. Restrictive religions are even worse especially if they limit freedom, and opress and control others in it's name.
Religion --- one more thing that divides us!
Posted by: jackit at December 21, 2004 02:10 PMGot to agree with Craig. Islam is a cult. A scary death-cult that we in the West have let fester for too long. Mark my words, we will face this monster on our own soil, way or the other, sooner or later. It must be stopped.
Posted by: Numlok at December 22, 2004 02:07 PMI am sorry to say that every single one who typed a message about islam is ignorant. It does not mean that when certain individuals or extremists use terrorism and claim that they are muslims (which i and all other true muslims neglect) that all muslim are like that. Islam is founded on the principles of people and loving your muslim, jewish, chritian,.... brothers and treat them as equals. As a matter of fact islam says that when one hits you on your right cheek turn him your left but not fight him. However the most misunderstood thing in islam is Jihad. Jihad is only fighting people who conquer your land and rape your rights, not for any other reasons. Killing civilions is not tolerated or using suicide bombers. Everybody who does these and claim to be muslims are not but are atheists and a bunch of liers who use islam for their own cause. As a matter of fact all muslim countries now allow women to vote, drive, read, have roles in the parliment, they can divorce. Women had no rights and islam gave women a lot of rights when the whole world did not allow them to even get divorsed. I am a world religion teacher and took my bachelor in islamic studies and i challeng anybody to come and discuss me about islam and i shall prove them wrong and give them evidence. By the way the jewish religion was the chosen religion. And in responce to marc saying the palestenian come from a culture of violence i tell him open a history book and read after world war 2 when britian promised the jewish a land where the country of palestine was, and started shipping millions of european jews to palestine and imposing them of the palestiniant. What would you do if somebody imposed on you something you dont like, it's no violence, however they are using violence to stop jewish violence and this will never work
Posted by: Rayan at January 5, 2005 05:38 PMIf islam is the worst religion and its teachings is based on violence and terrorism then answer this question: How come Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States with all the bad media and propaganda? Before you engage mouth make sure brain is in gear, meet a true local muslim then make an informed decision about Islam.
Posted by: rayan at January 6, 2005 07:24 AMI am a Palestinian and a Muslim, and you spew nothing but bullshit in this RANT of yours.
First off, Islam is based on peace and values.
Second, many words come from Arabic, not just assassin, and to base it all on that is rediculous.
Third, I know for a fact no one is obligated to give their lives. All "suicide bombings" are volunteered and do it so that their people may know freedom. They are essentially "Dying for their Country", which is what THIS country was founded on, beside the raping and killing of the Indians and the taking of their land.
Fourth, While I don't agree with the laws that limit the freedoms women have, this is not true in every country, less than half have these laws. If I recall, the right for women to vote and drive wasn't given until less than a century ago, and yet we went for a majority of this country's existance denying these rights, giving prominence to slave-owning, property-owning white males.
And LASTLY, Your total ignorance on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is baffling that you can make such a statement like that, plus you spelled ISRAEL as "ISREAL" which obviously takes from your credibility of intelligence, portraying you as just a stupid right-wing white hick who obviously loves the 700 Club. The Israelis got the land next to the Palestinians in 1947, and there were borders of where each people were, and the VERY NEXT DAY they crossed over and attacked the villages closest to the border and killed all the citizens. They continued to do this as part of the Zionist movement to take back "their" promised land and resort to any means, even if that meant bulldozing homes with people in them, and then building Jewish homes over them. You say you can't support the Palestinians because they use violence too? I see ZERO logic in that statement. Should they just lay down and die as the genocide of their people is commited, homes are destroyed, and all land, freedom, and rights are taken from them? If you knew what it was fuckin like, you wouldn't say shit like that if you lived in an underground bunker where you heard and felt the bombs hit above you.
Fuck Islam. Fuck it hard. Here are some nice quotes from the "peaceful" islam book of mysticism (makes for GREAT rolling papers):
Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”
Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!’”
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive.”
Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”
Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter.”
Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”
Bukhari:V4B52N270 “Allah’s Messenger said, ‘Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.’ Maslama got up saying, ‘Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet proclaimed, ‘Yes.’ Maslama said, ‘Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.’ Muhammad said, ‘You may do so.’”
Just a sample. The above quotes are from Ishag, Muhammads Muslim biographer, considered by Muslims to be the true.
Tabari and Bukhari are Authenticated Hadiths, (sayings and doings of Muhammad) and are used to bolster and flesh out the Islamic faith, they are considered faithful and true, and are used by muslim clerics in juridicial rulings and issuance of fatwas (religious edicts, like fatwas of Jiahd).
I wish I WASN'T a Christian so I could kill all you bastards, but my man J.C. is about peace - but I can still talk mad, mad shit.
Posted by: TiREd at January 8, 2005 09:17 PMJim Jones and David Koresh were "christian" extremists, as are people who bomb abortion clinics. Extremists think its ok to use any means to acheive their goals, and you will find the same extremeism in secular philosophy, just as you will find it in people with no philosophy.
Think people, The statement "Islam Sucks" is meaningless, and this whole issue is a waste of time.
Posted by: jon r thornton at March 17, 2005 07:26 PMDear Marc,
Your comments about Islam are spot-on. Your comments about Israel, however, reveal you as a typical good old-fashioned Jew-hater.
Inconveniently for those who try to augment their credibility by ceding ground on who's right in the Arab-Israeli conflict, Israel's record is the best in the world when it comes to minimizing civilian casualties. Israel is so accurate and careful in defending itself that fewer than 10% of all Palestinians killed by Israel are women. However sad this may be, it beats the accuracy of every military in history and is reflective of both skill and morals, like it or not.
In addition, during the four-year war of the Palestinians against Israeli civilians (2000-2004), Israel killed fewer than three Palestinians per day, on average. That doesn't exactly reflect any reckless or murderous intent on their part. The IDF has the ability to kill thousands per day if it so chooses. Conversely, the IDF's skill ensured that fewer than one percent of Palestinian attacks on Israel resulted in Jewish deaths.
You should really read a book called "The Case for Israel" by Alan Dershowitz. A Jewish friend of mine gave it to me and it is a real eye-opener. It's amazing what the liberal media would have us believel. Marc, this ain't two kids fighting in a sandbox. This is just another front in the Islamic Jihad against the rest of the world. And if you're not willing to stand with Israel because they choose to worhsip an invisible deity instead of a man-deity, then you've got problems, because the Muslims are coming for us. As they, themselves, like to say, "first the Saturday people, then the Sunday people." And you can Google that.
--Frank
Posted by: Frank Calzone at April 19, 2005 12:41 AMThere is no doubt that Islam is violent. I challenge any Muslim of deriding the Quran in a room full of muslims and make it out alive. They believe that their religion is something that needs to be defended, something that they can kill for and above all is superior due to their choronology of holy scriptures. Bottom line, Islam is an egocentric "we are #1" faith that believes that there are circumstances where violence is mandatory. Imagine the Dalai Lama spouting a "Fatwah" to kill chinese people. It is unimagineable. But, a muslim imam- no problem.
Posted by: Islam is Angry at May 23, 2005 06:05 PMI think you're right marc,here in Germany we have the same problems,some parts of Berlin or Cologne (Köln) is in hands of these "people". I am not against foreign people,no.I like people from finland,america,france or russia,but I hate the islamic people.They think they are very special,but this is the worst "religion" of all.
A world without islam,is a good world!
PS:My Englisch is not the best,but I hope you understand my message.
Posted by: The Man at May 27, 2005 03:52 AMIt is with intrest i read all the commnnts, replys. THIS IS A WARNING Muslims are determined to make England an Islamic state, They have there own rules and laws and preach hatred towards the west. What do we do to stop this? We pay them to carry on. But dont hate the person, just hate the fact that they are here, there and everywhere, except where they belong. The Middle East.
Posted by: steve at May 29, 2005 03:46 PMIslam truly sucks
Christianity sucks
Hinduism sucks
budhism may suck (i don't know, they seem to have the least amount of internal warefare over religion)
A new religion preaching peace, non violence, selflessness,and kindness is what our planet needs. John Lennon said "Imagine no Country it isnt hard to do" makes a whole lot of sense to me
No Religion
No country
thus far religion is the root of most of the hatered existing on our planet
lets eliminate it. How I don't know.
please share your pearls of wisdom.
Imagine the Pope issuing the Catholic equivalent of a "fatwah" to kill Protestants. The world would be in an uproar of indignation. Yet, it's perfectly acceptable for the little, weak minds practicing "The Religion of Peace" to issue fatwahs here and fatwahs there, like the silly proclamations of the village idiot. Organized religion in general is for the weak, the stupid, the superstitious, or the militant looking for a socially acceptable means to hide their perverse actions behind. If you want to have a relationship with whomever you believe your God to be, why accept a corrupt political system, of any sort, to define your spirituality? Aren't you capable of independent thought? All major religions have their warts, but Islam is truly the most perverse, violent and disgusting gutter religion ever perpetrated on mankind. Mohammed is worthy of contempt, not exultation. A pedophile, rapist, murderer and psychopath is NOT the sort of "prophet" supposedly civilized people need. Islam does the same thing Christianity did in the middle ages- keep its adherents ignorant, poor and uneducated so that they can be manipulated. The printing press broke us free of the tyranny of Christianity; what will it take for Muslims to wake up? Don't read the Koran- you might misinterpret it and then you'll have to be killed. Don't handle the Koran, you might drop it and then you'll have to be killed or crippled. Wake up, you stupid lemmings- you're pawns in a political game run by tyrannical and comical little Imams in their pajamas. Stop licking the carpet and stand up like men- like your creator wishes you to. Your God didn't create you to be a murderer, remain ignorant, act like a barbarian, or live like a savage, did He? Learn to seperate the hateful invectives of men from the truth by using the rational mind you've been given, or suffer the consequences. Keep pushing those of us who choose to live in civilized societies and we will ultimately put you down like diseased animals. Is this what you wish?
Posted by: Joe Mama at July 22, 2005 11:08 PMReligion is not the problem, just a big part of it. Islam just happens to be one of the religions that is a bigger problem. People will always find new and more horrible ways to kill each other, this is a fact of our existance. Pure unbridled force is the one thing everyone understands. Hence we fight in Afgahanstan (sp) and Iraq. Personally I would have little problem if we as a nation glassed every terrorist nation out there (and by glassed I mean dropped large nuclear weapons on them). If not that then we should publically blow up a mosque for every person killed in a terrorist act. If they want to play hard ball we should show them how the game is played. We are pussyfooting around as I see it. Guantanamo(sp) is a resort compared to what these bastards deserve. If they think the are going to have paradise after death I and I'm sure many others would be more than willing to send them to Allah or whatever jacked up deity they believe in. You can't fight an uncivilized society in a civilized way, you have to make it clear to them with violience, (the only thing they understand) that you are the baddest guy on the block and everytime they hit you, they must have a finger removed, a major artery severed, whatever. Religion is a paradigm for the ignorant who can't think for themselves and need to be led around by the nose. If that is what they want, then so be it, but when they start killing or crossing any other line in the name of that relgion they should be killed and with haste. In Iraq right now innocent civilians are being kidnapped and having their heads cut off slowly with knives. Search the internet their are videos of it. This kind of savagry should not be tolerated in any form. Glass em, nuke em , bomb all their mosqes, whatever it takes. If vilonce is all they understand, then kill them all and lets all get on with civilized living, I mean really.
Posted by: Sean at August 9, 2005 10:39 AMIslam sucks because they are killing and raping people
Chistians sucks because they tell that other people go to hell, only Christians go to Heaven
Mormon is no 1!!!
Posted by: Nicholas Mario Enrico at October 1, 2005 09:06 AMIslam is problem here,too, in Thailand. They keep killing innocence peoples burning schools killing monks almost everyday They are killing and killing all over the world event muslim themslef
Why don't they just live in peace, leave us in peace, or killing us is a way to be with their god?
Posted by: Nor at October 26, 2005 01:59 PMWhy can't we just live our own lives? Everyone's free to practise what they believe in. You think all your ranting here will change anything that's going on in the world right now? Criticising Islam isn't going to get you anywhere. You're just making yourself look silly & immature.
I happen to live in Singapore & believe it or not, we're living proof that everyone, regardless of language, race or religion, CAN live together in peace & harmony. Sure, there are still those racists(I pity them A LOT) but overall, we're pretty good-natured, tolerant folks. I'm a muslim & i never stoop as low as some of you guys by criticising other religions, which doesn’t make you any better. You say your religion is good but you yourself can’t tolerate other religions. You curse islam like there’s no tomorrow. So is this what your religion teaches you? I’m sure no one likes their religion to be put down like that. I guess the reason why a lot of you here hate islam is because you haven't got the slightest notion what islam really is. All those killings, terrorism, raping, and sick stuff like chopping heads off(oh gross.) are NOT the doings of a true muslim. They're EXTREMISTS. Muslim extremists. I don't tolerate them myself either. I've got friends who are atheists/christians/hindus/buddhists/pagan. We learn to accept each other the way we are & we don't force our ideas onto anyone.
& why are so many of you judging islam by a single country? Haven’t you thought about taking a glance at other countries?
No offence here but maybe you guys should just take a chill pill. This is seriously getting out of hand.
If you're clueless about Islam then for God's sake, don't criticise it. Don't preach like you know everything. The world doesn't only revolve around you ok.
People can be so ignorant.
Posted by: sharon at December 2, 2005 12:57 AMIt's not just Muslims in one nation it's Muslims in all nations. Where Muslims live violence thrives. You talk about Singapore where the government just hung a man this week for posession of a few ounces of Heroine. That's barberic.
Posted by: Marc at December 2, 2005 06:59 AMFor your info, my government is made up mostly of CHINESE. & what's more, the majority of chinese in my country are christians. So tell me, why on earth must a chinese(christian)-dominated country hang another fellow chinese(christian)? this has nothing to do with religion or race or whatever discrimination bull. It's the law. & it's the government's way of showing equality to all races. Imagine what would happen if the government had made an exception for this Nguyen guy? The other races living in Singapore would probably accuse the government of being racist & unfair. It'll only create an uproar within the people. Don't make sweeping statements like "Where Muslims live violence thrives."
Adolf Hitler wasn't a muslim when he decided to eliminate all those Jews.
Jack the Ripper wasn't a muslim.
Are all the murderers in the world muslim? I doubt so.
And what about the West African slave trade? I'm sure it wasn't the doings of a muslim.
Wow. You're really guilty of discrimination, aren't you? Are you racist too? Hope not.
Show's how ignorant you are & how clueless you are about my country, let alone my religion. No offence, but you seriously have to get your facts right. Think before you speak cause your words reflects on what kind of person you are.
By the way, i am one of those who opposed to his execution because i think he deserves a second chance, considering his age & that it's his first offence. But too bad for him i guess. He should have spared a thought about the consequences before he decided to take the risk. Rolled the dice & he lost. So he has to pay it with his life.
I think it's just sad that you think all muslims are pro-violence. You've seriously been brainwashed, dude. & like i mentioned before, take a chill pill. :)
Posted by: sharon at December 3, 2005 01:16 AMThe Bible says something like "Thou shalt have no other God but me", and the Quran says the same as well, in slightly different words. So what's the difference?
Christian invaders killed natives all over the world a few hundred years ago. Today we have so many cases of Christian extremists harming non-Christians. Islamic extremists are killing non-Muslims all over the world today. So, what's the difference?
All man-made religions are the root cause. And as long as people have segregational beliefs, religious hatred will continue to plague the world.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 16, 2005 03:45 AMHey Islam Bashers,
If i begin to tell a story i start in the beginning right? And i end in the ending, correct?
This is for people how are taking quotes out of the Quran without knowing the whole story behind it.
Well all you people do is starting in the middle of a story without knowing the beginning nor the ending of it, and start critisizing it.
How poor, just start to read the Quran and you will all understand. Bashing Islam without knowing the truth of it is the sickest lamest thing to do.
Posted by: Kyro at December 31, 2005 12:36 PMAll the Muslim apologists on this site keep dragging up historical references to prove how bad other religions have been. The Spanish Inquisition is OVER. Hitler is DEAD. The crusades (the ones in the middle ages, anyway) are OVER. Muslims are enslaving women and murdering innocent people TODAY. Stop the simple-minded denials and weak historical references.
Posted by: Living in the NOW at January 12, 2006 09:07 AMMuslims are insecure. SO insecure in fact that they think some muslims will start worshiping a cartoon depicting that mohamhead pervert, drawn by a poor dannish sod that probably has his life in peril.
So, who wants to start "idolizing" a cartoon? What type of retard sees it as a threat? The cartoon (bomb on head) is very smart, in that it actually PREDICTS the reaction of muslams. Their fuses are indeeed lit, yet nobody seems to see the irony and the joke in all of this.
Oh my, is that woman unveiled? Oh jeez, I might get an erection and be forced to rape her .. gosh. Idiots. Absurd.
They are weak and insecure. They need compassion and help. They need their books re-written and they need re-education.
They need pitty and love. Their whole religion seems to me like a cry for help. They need to be disarmed by force unfortunately, but in the end, the civilized world shall live in peace with the reformed muslims.
Peace, compassion and love is what will cure them of their ails. (That and re-writting some of their books for them.)
Posted by: DUDE at February 4, 2006 08:12 AMI totally agree with the last couple of posts.
All religions, with no exception, are viruses. In my humble opinion, Islam is the best. It has proved to be the most effective at brain-washing simple, feeble-minded people. It seems to me that the Muslim world is living several hundred years behind the rest of the world. Islam is by far the furthest religion from enlightenment there is today.
How can anyone worship in a god who created everything? Everything includes all the evil that exists in the world, and if there is a god responsible, is he really worthy of worship? If there is a god, then he has to be an absolutely evil bastard who we should turn our backs to.
Surely the fact that all religions are based on ancient texts, written by men of much more simple times, is enough for anyone capable of free thought to question the idea of god?
Posted by: Ralph at February 6, 2006 01:57 PMBuddhists Rule! There's no god, no savior...just you, yourself and your mind.
Posted by: BobOliver_D at February 7, 2006 02:15 PMI personaly dont think its the religion, i meen believe what you want. I think just how people raised. I meen lets say you were told by your family all your life that these people are evil and should be killed as stuppid as that is....well if you were brought up that way think bout it.
Posted by: doc at February 8, 2006 03:00 AMJudaism, Christianity, and Islam are all evil and spring from the same root. All 3 religions claim an exclusive license on God and implicitly exclude others from being godly. There is no such exclusive license. As Jesus said-- "The kingdom of heaven is upon the earth already and men do not see it. Muslims, Christians, and Jews are evil people.
Posted by: Donna at February 8, 2006 09:53 AMWhoa..
I am sure Europeans (chritians) were as blood thirsty and barbaric as these middle easternsuicide bombers, not more than 200-300 years back!!
but, I confess, all these terror attacks have made me feel a deep hatred for all muslim people/things.. and it's getting increasingly difficult to shake that hatred off..
Posted by: ron at February 9, 2006 05:52 AMCatholics have the Pope...Buddhists have the Dali Lama...Muslims have??? Osama?
If Islam is truly a peaceful religion...someone needs to step up and condemn the violence and represent the religion. So far, no one has..but extremist and terrorists. No one is in control...obviously.
Islam is a religion of domination, violence and control. THAT IS ALL.
Muslims Suck Ass! All they can think of religion and how to net let others live with peace and how to disrupt other people's lives! Funny Cartoons have been made about all faiths, but no one goes out and launches a worldwide movement against some stupid cartoon, which also involves killing people! You motha-fuckers should rather learn to kill your own people! That way we will decrease the world's "hater" population!
It is a very sad irony that the world's freest Muslims -- those who live in liberty in the West -- are so unwilling to publicly condemn the world's worst Muslims -- the militant Islamist fascists who believe in violent jihad, intolerant theocracy, subjugated women, and hatred of Jews and Americans.
If anyone should be raising their voices against the totalitarians and terrorists who promote such evil in the name of Islam, it is the millions of moderate Muslims in America, Canada, and Europe. The image of Islam in the West would be greatly enhanced if more of them would speak out against the bigotry and brutality of the militants and forcefully advocate democracy and pluralism in the Middle East. But the vast majority are reluctant to do so. Some say nothing out of a misplaced sense of loyalty; others are afraid of being ostracized if they rock the communal boat.
Although, I have muslim friends, I would definitely have to say that you guys suck ass top to bottom, no matter what! At the end of the day you're just a piece of that stupid religion based movement, with no aim in life whatsoever! Die bitches!
Posted by: Chirag at February 12, 2006 09:32 AMWhy is it that when any other religion on this planet is mocked, poked at or made fun they just write angry letters in retalition.
Dare say boo about Islam and Islamics burn down embassasies, burn flags, scream and yell their hatred, people are killed, and they incessantly bitch cry and moan with rediculous public demonstrations??? *REALITY CHECK* Can you people not see how much you alienate yourselves and make the rest of the world dislike you even further?? Can anyone (you)possibly be that stupid?
If is looks, smells and acts like shit it's time to call it as such.
ISLAM...seemingly the biggest producers of human garbage on this planet.
It's Feb 13, 2006.... open any newspaper folks... let the facts speak for themselves.
Many Islamics possess the mentality of 5 year olds. The world will end when these freaks get nukes.
have mercy on us all it's going to only get worse as these radicals turn into hormone enraged "teenagers" over the next 10 - 20 yrs
we are at the dawn of the beginning of the end of the world as we know and love it...
it's like reasoning with poineer savages of 500 - 1000 years ago. Feeble minded people with access to dangerous technology.... here we go again history repeats itself this time with Middle east cavemen idiots.....
wonderful...
WHOA Nelly! This IS one interesting discussion. I remember my 5th grade science teacher in the 1970's telling my class the largest growing religion in the world was the Muslim faith. The class laughed as we never heard of such a religion - about a man, Muhammad, who was actually a criminal in his time, becoming an enlightened individual and bedding a number of virgins, marrying a number more, and promising young men they will have 72 of them at their side should they do an act for their prophet....Interesting stuff.
The Christians and Jews have their issues...and their beliefs. Those who criticize "organized religion" in general are just showing their oppressive ignorance. The point they are missing is that "the truest test of faith is Blind Faith". That means believing the unseen. Do you think Stevie Wonder believes the sky is blue even though he can't see it? That would be called FACT to you or I since we can see it, but Stevie calls it FAITH SINCE HE CAN'T. In other words, he believes it because WE believe it.
Someone earlier posted you can't condemn a religion with a broad brush for what misguided individuals of a sect due. Likewise, a devout, mentally sound member of a sect ought not remain silent when he sees nuckleheads representing his/her faith in a misguided fashion.
I can see why so many people feel the need to rant and rave whenever something is done in the name of religion. The easiest response is the condemn religion altogether! By the way, wasn't the United States founded, in part, as a haven from religious oppression? Yet, here we go complaining because people aren't thinking or behaving in a manner we'd like them to. Sounds like a control issue to me. I say live and let live. Believe what you want. Just don't infringe on my rights, I won't infringe on yours.
Peace.
While in Iraq I saw no sadness when a fellow Muslim killed Muslim kids with a car bomb. But then they kill over cartoons. What a bunch of fucktard monkeys. They make lousy soldiers, Lousy husbands, and in MY opinion just lousy people. I say let em burn and blow up their own countries. Who gives a shit. I saw them eat during Ramadan in the day. I saw married men flirting. And on raids there was evidence of homosexual activity in the hideouts of possible terrorists. And the Palestinians where the dredge of arab countries before Isreal beat the shit out of egypt among others during the 6 day war. Even when outnumbered. Lousy soldiers. The men and women who volunteer for suicide bombings are usually the weak depressed and unmarried scum of their society. The United States problem is that we should let them starve and die instead of involving ourselves in other countries business. And we shouldnt let them in. Seems to me that some fat lazy government workers who were happy with making a shitload of money with a fat GS job and let the little dicked terroists right into our home. Muslims should be happy im not in charge of this country. Id turn their homelands into a big piece of fucking glass. Damn I hate them. Obvious im sure from my ranting. And in closing Mohammed was a false profit and a felon oh yeah I also forgot Pedophile.
Posted by: Slappedabunchofragheads at March 9, 2006 08:19 AMSome more food for thought: " Call for Christian Convert in Afghanistan to be executed"
Here is a comment from a so called moderate: "Rejecting Islam is an insult to God. We will not allow God to be humiliated. This man must die" said cleric Abdul Raoulf who is considered a moderate.
And he is considered a moderate? Unbelievable!
Many muslims are callig for the world to understand them and respect their religion...kind of hard when things like this are happening.
--Children shot at a russian school by so called "freedom fighters"
--A Nigerian press person barely spared from execution because she suggested the prophet Mohammed may enjoy a beauty contest.
-- School girls in a Saudi school burned to death because the fireman and police would not let them escape as their heads were not covered by scarves.
-- Protesters over the infamous cartoons calling for "demolition to Europe " and death to all non believers.
--A death sentance put on the head of the danish cartoonist.
And then...these idiots wonder why people despise their insane religion.
Even when violent passages from the Quran are quoted they still refuse to accept the criticism and have to post messages telling us to "get educated" Yeah.. I think we have all the education we need to know !!
And on and on it goes.
Marc,
Amen & Amen to your original commentary of 3/24/04. Let's expose this bullshit religion (depraved justification) for what it is ... a license to kill and abuse innocents. Mohammed is a myth, soon to self destruct.
No Mosques in my back yard, take your islamic bullshit elsewhere is what I say...
Stay strong
Dave
im 32 years old and i knew this bullshit with the muslims would come to this 20 years ago. im not racist. i hate only muslim fucks. i think all muslims are evil peices of shit. come get me you terrorist scum ill be waiting. I hope the jews finish this shit. because the liberal scum in this country wont let us.
Posted by: eric at July 20, 2006 05:16 PMI really agree with you. Islam is a very evil religion and these people that say that islam is a peaceful religion, they are just full of shit. Another screwed up thing that they do that you forgot to mention is that they forcfully circumsize their daughters(mostly in Northern African countries, even though it has been outlawed) so that they can get more money out of them by selling them into marraige. For those who may not know much about this subject, they do not do this with anesthesia or by surgery and there is nothing sterile about it. They are held down by 4 elder women and another uses a sharp rock or a hand made knife to cut off the clitoris. then they are bound from ankle to waist until it heals. If it heals. A large percentage die from this. This is now taking place in the U.S. But they have upgraded a little. Here it is being done with razors, kitchen knives and scissors. The parents will disown them if they refuse. But if it was me, I wouldnt care. If my parents wanted to do that to me, I would disown them. That is, if I was a girl and possesed a clitoris. Its bad enough that they are doing this in their own countries, but when they start bringing these sick traditions to our country, thats when something needs to be done. I just wish all of these people could be wiped off the face of this earth. To my, the earth is a brain and muslims are a cancer. There will never be any kind of peace on this earth with them here. Then they wonder why people have grudges against them. Its not like Im judging a group of people because of the color of their skin. Im judging a group of people that follow a doctrine that teaches them to hate anyone who is not muslim.
Posted by: Jeremy-Genocide at August 3, 2006 06:14 PMI loved the post about Jesus and God's gift to us through Him. It has been written that the only way to salvation is through Jesus. This does not mean that you need to be fanatical about things. Jesus made it very simple for us. Live an honest life, share what you have with others, and spread the Gospel. That will get you into Heaven. I see no way how anyone who thinks that a loving God would instruct others to murder innocent people in His name indiscriminately. That is what Islam teaches. That is why Islam is the religion of Satan, not God. Pray that all Muslims learn about and accept Jesus Christ into their lives because if they don't they will surely burn in Hell for all eternity.
Posted by: Digital Man at August 10, 2006 09:42 AMeic, how can you say you are not racist, while you only hate Muslims for being Muslim, and that alone?
Posted by: TOny at August 11, 2006 12:05 AMAfter reading parts of the Koran (you have to put it down after some time due to the hate it preaches), I can factually state that the definition of a good muslim is one who kills the enemies of the religion. If you aren't a muslim, you're an enemy in their cross-hairs. If you ARE a muslim consorting with non-muslims, you're a target too. It's interesting that the liberals have tried to rename the religion of hate to the religion of peace, but their own "how to be a muslim" manual, the Koran, trumps their desires to paint these fairy tale images. These pieces of shit are no better than common thug gang members, and deserve no more recognition. They are the scum of the earth cowards who have been looking for an audience in the West for 3 decades. Instead of media sympathy, the only audience they deserve is a strong military response. Just like a crip or blood who murders an innocent to join a gang, these thugs (muslims) will continue work at being the worst of humanity. I pitty their low station in life and their weakness guided by religion. You can't blame religion in general any more than you can blame a pencil for a mispelled word or a gun for a death, it's the piece of shit people of islam!
Posted by: Steve - USA at August 15, 2006 03:52 PMRight on, Tony! I couldn't have said it better. They do not preach tolerance of other religions besides Islam, but more like "convert or die."
Christianity has bad apples in it too, but hey, Christians don't use their women and innocent children for bombs/human shields.
Posted by: K at August 17, 2006 08:53 PM