Marc Perkel Rantz

No, didn't do it for me.
Try again when Carter eats it.

I have to disagree about Reagan. He, unlike GW, could actually say a full sentence in proper English. Bush is much much worse. See: www.bushspeaks.com

I am not convinced that Reagan brought down communism. He said, "Tear down that wall" only after perestroika in Russia - 1986. And, perestroika was more of an implosion of commumism than anything brought on by Reagan. I would say that Bill Gates and the founders of Intel are more responsible for the fall of communism than that puppet in the White House. It was the CPU that brought down the walls of a nation that was still doing its accounting on the abacus. I know, I was there.

Wow! Thanks Marc! I hadn't heard that song, yet.

By the way, I had a similar idea:

http://www.funnyfarmonline.org/archives/000052.php

I probably posted the draft when you were putting this up on your site. What would the Church of Reality say about the synchronicity involved in those two events?

Marc, you are SOOOO right that Reagan came along and destroyed a good thing. We had a prime rate at 19% with double digit inflation, and gold at $850. Now we have prime rate of 5%, inflation at 2%, all because of what Reagan started.

Tell me, what do you hate about the man?

hi marc
can you tell us what happened to the guys(iraqis )that were caught for the beheading.after the annoucement of catching these guys nothing.........

Um, I do believe it was Carter who got his Fed Reserve chairman Paul Volcker to tightem the screws and start the process of reining in the rampant inflation of the time. Reagan continued the policy, but did not begin it.

If that's the case TOM,
Then why is it so difficult for you to believe that the clinton "economy" cashed in on the Reagan/Bush spoils from the end of the cold war?

It's impossible to believe that statement. And, once again, a fine example of how the 'independents' (cough) try to refocus the discussion:

The 'spoils' came from the work of Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, and Clinton himself in helping to end the cold war. It was fifty years of hard work. It is wrong to credit Reagan and Bush alone.

Clinton didn't cash in either; once the Repugs took back the House in 1994 they were pretty much determining the course of things. The richest 1% cashed in quite nicely, keeping their nominal tax rates below middle class levels while increasing the rich/poor disparity by orders of magnitude. Clinton was busy fighting off useless Repug fabrications about his private life (while the Repugs who were making stuff up were engaged in infidelities far worse than anything they tried to ram up Clinton's ass) and starting to try and figure out how to deal with the militant Muslims that Ronnie Ray-Gun's handlers created to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. Who were doing business with the BFEE even then; Bush the Less Stupid was helping to arm quite a few countries in the Middle East over those years. I think Cheneyburton was still busy establishing connections which came in awful handy to get him a personal fortune rebuilding all the crap he blew up in Oil War I.

And then Kenny Boy and the Rest of the United CEOs of America got a little too cocky and inhumanely greedy. Coincidentally just before we got a much bigger distraction to concern ourselves with - after Bush the Stupider's handlers, in a fit of pique, decided to ignore all of the career politicians who told the Chimperor to pay attention to binladen. You see, Crisco Johnny and the Injustices were about to launch a new initiative on sinful behavior, and roust all the dope fiends and the fornicators. Oh, and Condi was going to try and focus us on SDI instead of terrorism - just to show those nasty Clinton Democrats!

I think there are a few questions more important to ask with reference to this discussion:

First, I thought we were talking about Ronnie Ray-Gun. When did the Clenis ever come into the discussion?

Second, Marc has very clearly laid out one tip of the iceberg that is the evil that Reagan loosed upon the Earth. He points out a number of things that the media whores would sneeringly dismiss (when in fact they are true). Where's the problem?

Third, the fat cats cashed in on the dot com bubble and the whole deregulation mess. The resulting embezzlement makes the Savings and Loan scandals look like a warm-up exercise. THEY cashed in.

Fourth, Ronnie Ray-Gun was a malicious empty suit who looked good and said the right things in public for a long time. Nancy ran the show then much more than Hitlery ever would, yet you seem hesitant to say anything about that. During a discussion of Reagan, no less! Too bad we didn't open up an eighty million dollar witch hunt on the shenanigans of the Ray-Guns - I bet we would have gotten more dirt than we did on the Great Clenis Hunt.

Do I get

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You didn't answer the question.

If that's the case Tom,
Then why is it so difficult for you to believe that the clinton "economy" cashed in on the Reagan/Bush spoils from the end of the cold war?

Of course I answered the question! Hear me now, and listen to me later:

Of course I don't believe the slanted tripe you're trying to force down my throat. I don't believe in the Easter Bunny either. Both beliefs are equally plausible.

There were no spoils from merely Reagan and Bush. Many others contributed to the boost in the economy from the end of the cold war.

The only people that cashed in were the richest of the rich in American society, and they stole most of it.

Do. You. Un-der-stand. The. Words. I. Am. Saying?

Yes I do understand, I understood what you said before.
But The economy Was far better than it had been after Reagan's eight years and #41's four year.

The way economic policy works (end of term affects next term)

Do you think that Clinton benefited from the preceding presidents fiscal planning?
(Only Reagan and Bush. Not some 40 years back.)

Death Sqads in South America

Reagan's Mujahadeen allies financed their war through the drug trafficking of heroin.
Mujahadeen leaders supervised the growing of the opium poppy and with the assistance of the CIA

The S & L scandal

"The October Surprise," in which it is alleged that representatives of the Reagan campaign tried to thwart U.S. efforts to free the Iranian hostages until after the presidential election. Halper also set up a legal defense fund for Oliver North.

During the Iran-Contra Affair, Palmer National was the bank of record for the National Endowment for the Preservation of Liberty, a front group run by Oliver North, which was used to send money and weapons to the contras.

Reagan Ignored ICJ ruling against mining Nicaraguan harbors

Carter's total deficit: $252 billion; Reagan's: $1.4 trillion)

According to his authorized biography (published in 2000), Reagan wonders aloud about the AIDS pandemic: "Maybe the Lord brought down this plague... [because] illicit sex is against the Ten Commandments."

Reagan directed the Department of Agriculture to classify ketchup as a vegetable in September 1981 in an attempt to slash $1.5 billion from the federal school lunch program

Supported Bob Jones Univ.’s miscegeny policy

Opposed Voting Rights Act of 1965 as “humiliating to South”

At one one point he asked Gorbachev if we would form an alliance against invaders from another planet.

"Facts are stupid things."
Ronald Reagan
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." Reagan '81

Seems to me he was a bit of a dumb-ass all round...

Reagan created the right-wing media takeover. He got rid of equal-time reply requirements, and he gave free rein to the rich nazis. Now we see the fruit. Rush Limbaugh (nazi propagandist), Fox network (nazi broadcast empire), and this absurd bogus funeral event.

spin, spin, spin
All of you are scared because things are going just fine-
"It's morning in America" -R.R. (RIP)

Things are NOT just fine. This Reagan media orgy sickens me to the core, because the man was NOT that good of a president, but he's basically the poster boy for what every republican president wants: To fulfill his entire agenda of conservative backpeddling (read: the absolutely laughable "war on drugs") and make the rich even richer, all while telling regular Americans that he's "one of them" and they BELIEVE AND WORSHIP HIM.

I'll tell you one thing right now: This country can't stand 4 more years of Bush. It would survive another 8 years of a Reagan, but at the end we'd all still be right where we started: An America of decadence and backward morality where the real issues are locked down and refused to be discussed. Not the least bit ironically, thats exactly what happened from 1980-1988.

Ever notice the country only goes forward with a Democrat in the White House? There's a reason for that.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you another page from the Repugnicant manual.

Read that last statement. He's literally trying to spin to us that (i) we get scared when things are going well (as opposed to when things are going TOO well, and confuses the two in the mind of the reader), and (ii) things are going just fine.

Thanks for the lesson, ditto monkey. Rush would be proud of you...

http://www.counterpunch.org/

Put Reagan's Image on the Black Budget
Spend One for the Gipper
By DAVID PRICE

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One benefit of this approach would be that when a sitting President was discovered to be issuing high levels of Black-Budget-Gipper notes their indiscretion could be politely overlooked just as Reagan's was by adapting to their own use his wonderful hand-caught-in-the-cookie-jar-statement that, "a few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not." This model sentence could honor the Reagan legacy by providing a Teflon shield for the exposed covert actions of future administrations......<<<<<

Tom I assume you weren't referring to my comment with your last statement. :)

You are correct, Anthony. You got your comment in while I was writing mine. D'oh!

Well, the only reason you'll ever see me burn a flag will be if a flag burning amendment gets passed.