Marc Perkel Rantz

Ive known this for a long time, its sickening to think that our government is so corrupt when it comes to republicans in power.

Mr. Perkel how do I get in contact with you, I want to clarify some things about the Bible, you made good points, but bad points as well! Thanks!

The '91 massacre of Shiites also happened under U.S. watch -- with armored divisions sitting in the sands of Iraq, and an okay from the top U.S. general for the Iraqi's to use helicopters against those civilians and rebels

And how did Saddam obtain WMDs? From Uncle Sam, of course. It's sad that the media is giving this administration a pass and telling the truth about the ties between the Bush family and Saddam and Hitler. Yes, Dubya's grandfather's company financed the SS during WWII. America has a history of dealing personally with both sides. Ultimately, it's all about money and oil.

It gets better: they did not charge Saddam with any crimes while he was an american puppet in the eighties. they have indictments from 1974, and indictments from 1991, but none from when Cheney and Reumsfeld were feeding Iraq WMD! What a strange coincidence!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20040702/ts_nm/iraq_dc

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Apart from the invasion of Kuwait, the preliminary charges against Saddam referred to the suppression of Kurdish and Shi'ite revolts after the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites), poison gas attacks and other massacres of Kurds, the killing of religious leaders in 1974 and the killing of political figures over three decades.

Iran's former president asked why the charge sheet had not mentioned Iraq's 1980-88 war with the Islamic republic.

"Why does Saddam face charges regarding several months of Kuwait occupation but not for the eight-year Iran-Iraq war?" Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani asked in a Friday prayer sermon.

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http://www.antiwar.com/ips/suri.php?articleid=2931

According to CIA, gasing of Kurds was the work of Iranians, NOT Saddam Hussein. Saddam learned of it on television.

Three people here mentioned Iraq got weapons of mass destruction from the good old USA. Weapons of mass destruction that he DOES NOT have. Which is it, it can't be both.

thats because what he is talkin about is gas weapons which he has already used on the kurds, so he does not have them any more.

OK, You got it all wrong:

The Kurds were gassed with a blood agent that Iran had, and Iraq had mustard gas only. Saddam was not aware of what was goign on, and he has always denied the charges. The USA vetoed a UNSC resolution comdemning Iraq of the genocide, on the other hand, the USA pumped up sales of chemical weapons to Iraq after the Kurds incident. For that reason, the USA was so sure Iraq had WMDs, because they did not think Saddam would destroyed 'em (because they worth millions) but it seems that he got rid of them some how. Unfortunatly those who lose a war, they are those to be tried... and Bush knows that.

I think the idea of breaking up the USA into independant manageable state coutries may well
be the only solution if we're to have peace on
this planet. The USA has gotten too strong for
anyone's good.
Its an idea that US jurisdiction itself came up with when it had to deal with Microsoft.

well, if the US wasn't the biggest bully, someone else would become it. Someone would inevitably capitalize on the power vacuum and become the new dominating power that could impose _their_ will on nations of their choosing.

China ia more powerful then us. they are bigger, more populated, government controls everything, bigger military, they own all trade everywhere, and soon their technology will compare to ours. so if the u.s. backs down, we will all become china's bitch

And do you suppose China will make us their bitch? Ancient Chinese secret! lol. Sorry, had to. hee hee... No, seriously. Hawk and Josh hit it on the nose. History has shown that someone always comes out on top when there is a void in power...

Hmm but I'm very worried about the cost to the planet of having the current biggest bully; its been immense thus far. They seem to have outdone Hitler, Stalin, Pinnoche and many others put together, and on top of that they want to rewrite the books to their liking! Something must be done to stop this destructive paranoid madness before its too late.

With all due respect to the millions of Americans who are contributing positively to this planet, the cost of enduring their successive destructive administrations does not make it worthwhile(sadly).

I have to say, comparing the Bush Administration to Hitler is going to far. I believe Bush betrayed our country, and I am confident we will remove him from office.

I have to say, comparing the Bush Administration to Hitler is going too far. I believe Bush betrayed our country, and I am confident we will remove him from office. But I would not go that far.

With Hitler, a world war was fought to remove him, and he still managed to kill 6 million in camps and indirectly millions more in war.

As for Bush, with a simple vote, we (Americans) can remove him, and begin to move to a better place.

Finally, comparing Hitler and Stalin to the Bush admin takes away from the credibility of this good article. That can be a disservice.

geese, ignore that first line, stupid editing.

Removing Bush from power might not be that easy.
Anytime he desires he can declare martial law and be there permently, he can do this without anyones approval. Over the yrs. everything that was needed to be passed has been passed by congress. All that is needed is an excuse to get it passed the public and probably not even that.

Prior to 1980s both Iraq and Iran had border skirmishes, some mustard gas was reported used.

After the Shaw of Iran was diagnosed with cancer in late 1970s, leaving Iran in 79 for Western Medical care, the Iran regime fell apart as many (especially college age) rebelled previous SAVAK atrocities (reportedly set up by CIA).

The Shaw dying of cancer in 1980 required President Reagan sending Rumsfeld to establish Saddam as our ally against Iran.

From 1982 President Reagan removing Iraq from US "Terrorist Supportin Nation" embargo enabled legal sale of WMD to Iraq and Saddams regime. After this date more dangerous Sarin gases were reported used by Iraq against Iran.

In 2005 the Bush admin. began setting up a Secret Police Agency in Iraq much like the SAVAK agency set up for the Shaw of Iran in 1953.

What goes around, comes around, with US intelligence calling it "Blow Back."

No commercial link is permitted in my post.

Answer...
The 1990 US war (using UN) had US generals reporting they destroyed large quantities of Iraq WMD using 'Smart Weapons'.

From 1991-98 the UN reported destroying 90% more of Iraqs WMD.

Understand that the Bush-Admin did not say Iraq had WMD from before 1991, but had refurbished 'factories' that had produced 'stockpiles of WMD'. The Bush-Admin also identifed the almost exact locations where these factories and WMD-stockpiles could be found. Also saying these WMD were ready for deployment within a 45-minute interval. The (possible) atomic bombs were somewhat iffy.

The answer to your question is that the Bush-Admin set up within the Pentagon an 'Office of Special Plans' in early 2002. It was this group who used documented liars and thieves to manufacture WMD proof. They then bypassed all legitimate US and International Intelligence agencies taking the BS straight to Bush.

Understand I am not calling these people liars, criminals is a more apt description.

Does anyone remember the 7000 page U.N. report that listed extensive amounts of WMD chemicals, etc.? The report showed they were in existance, but Sadaam could not and would not explain when and where they were properly disposed of. I'm sure Bush 43 fabricated the U.N. report as well. Where was Bill Clinton during the '90's when the U.N. was sanctioning Iraq for violations (17 of them)?
The U.S. Senate committee on National Security had the same intelligience the White House had and yet they voted "YES" to take out Sadaam. For anyone (Kerry) who said they did not know the facts are either lying or incompetent. How can any Senator not take such serious issues to heart?
The enemy is not George Bush, but the Islamics who have sworn to destroy America. They have proved this in words and action. I have not forgotten Sept 11, 2001.

Dale, If you haven't forgotten (/11, then you need to watch a DVD called 9/11, In Plane Site.
Question what really happened and what we've been told.

Dale, obviously you're incredibly ignorant.

Its Republican supporters like this that give motivation for others to hold America in spite.

Your unwavering support of a corrupt administration in the face of illegal constitutional amendments. Nixonian stonewalling and refusal to comply with the law (senate subpoenas). Refusal to operate with oversight (abuse of executive priviledges).Lies and hypocrisies to maintain a secretive regime (cheney isnt part of any branch but is part of any specific branch whenever it allows him to circumnavigate the law). The pardoning of scooter libby being an outright disgrace and conflict of interest with investigations. Wiretapping and destruction of Habeas Corpus, the Patriot Act. And yet Bush still has nerve to blame Democrats for his failure in Iraq, for overspending despite his Iraq effort and his administrations gross misuse of assets, personal expenditure more then Clinton's office three-fold.

What a national and international disgrace. The racist ideals that he spread, the bipartisanship agenda that he promoted. The sacrifice of liberties for 'freedom'. The contempt he has for the constitution. and yet fuckwitted republicans can STILL accept him and still CONDONE guantanemo bay an outright international law and geneva convention breach. Look at the GOP candidates, what an absolute joke. Have fun background checking their leading candidate Giuliani, or any of their front-runners. I'm not sure whether its a run for presidency or for crony of the year.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and yet Dale uses this as justification for the massacre of Iraqi's under the guise of 'democracy' and his twisted racist views of Islam.

If we are to judge a people based on an extremist faction and a singular event then by that lets view Christians in equal contempt. Stake burnings for heresy. The Crusades. Abortion clinic bombings. Gay bashers and murderers who believe its an act for god.

You get the idea now Dale? You're incredibly stupid and an embarrassment to yourself and humanity.