Marc Perkel Rantz

Could you tell me where I could view the video myself. You have some very interesting comments

You have completely lost your mind! Whose side are you on? American soldiers are putting their lives on the line too allow you the freedom to make these stupid remarks. Do you believe that you would be given the same rights by the people that you defend? A better question would be, do you think that you could make any kind of a statement against one of these type of regimes and be allowed to live? Why don't question some of the few people that made it out about that?

Hi Marc, I've been trying to get the video but to no avail! Please post it because many people just like yourself are also curious and over 18! :)

By hiding the facts you are only sanitizing the situation in Iraq. Thanks, MP.

B. R. Beeson,
Are you just ignorant or what?! He never said anything about being on the terrorist's side. He was merely pointing out some inconsistancies with the video. You must be one the lambs led to slaughter who believes everything you read in the newspaper and everything you see on TV. The Enquirer loves readers like you. Why don't you wake up! Elvis is dead! There is no Santa or the Easter Bunny! Oh, and our own government has done horrific, unspeakable things of it's own throughout history. I am a full-blooded, true-blue american, but I can't just turn my head to the fact that we are guilty of some things ourselves. Do I believe we should be fighting this war...yes. Do I believe we are being just and fair while we're doing it...no. Do I blame them...hell, no! If someone killed a family member of mine, I can't say I wouldn't wish the most horrible death on Earth for that person, but if I was a murderer as well, then how would I be any better? America has a LOT of secrets of it's own that will probably come out some day. You know the old saying about glass houses and throwing stones...well, we're in a huge freaking, solid glass house buddy, and we play with some mighty large rocks!!! Wake up and smell the latte! You might even be surprised to hear the inconsistancies and rumors about how our own government was involved with the Oklahoma city bombing just to pass an anti-terrorism bill into law! I find it mighty peculiar that government agents that would've normally been working that day were mysteriously told to not come into work that day. Don't you?!

As for the author of this, thank you for having the courage to point these peculiar points out. Not saying I believe or disbelieve you, but it's refreshing to know that there are others out there (unlike B. R. Beeson) that aren't naive enough to believe everything they're fed.

Yes, C.Haney, i have to say that not everything is the iraqis fault, the americans are at faults too, if bush hadn't started this bloody war none of these would have happened. If bush hadn't let the soldiers torture the iraqis no one would have their heads sawed off. So, do not think that everything bush does is correct, what he's doing is just putting more hatred into everything and making more innocent lives lost.

ogrish.com

ok just to add to about the torture that the u.s. had done to the iraqis.

I have heard from several places and ppl i know that the video of the beheading was recorded before the the u.s. released footage of U.S. soldiers torturing the iraqi pow's. if so i have nothing to say but the ppl who beheaded the guy is really sick and they need to be put in jail or beheaded themselves. this is how u feel on the subject and yes ive seen the video ive even showed my 14 yr old brother ( u need to know whats going on in life everything isn't nice and peaceful ) but i urge that u tell every1 you know about this topic.

where can you view the video we would like to see it also

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smoke the heavy roach . by jojo .iimmmmm

all you americans are stupid....wise but stupid...you all expect that there can be actions without consequences....i'm sorry for the lost, and i don't agree with how revenge was taken upon , but from what i've read, heard, and seen on cnn and television, it was ignoorant american soldiers who took advantage of POWs first, which caused the militant group to respond..though in an unlikely way from us...they did respond...i think it sends a message...they want their country back... and they are willing to go to the extents to get it..as they have shown...
it takes one stupid mistake, one second of ignoorance and greed to start a war, but a lifetime and many generations to bring peace to it...in the end, noone wins, and everyone looses..
humanity is destroying itself piece by piece, and it's the good at heart who suffers...

The brutal killing of this poor man is a conspiracy by the US government. The way this man was slaughtered by the so called 'Islamic Militant’s’ was to divert the worlds attention from their own PoW abuse scandal.

Trust me people I’m a soldier and I know how these bastards think.

Hi,

I am a muslim.
That is right - hate benefits both bush and laden. Why can't we live in this world peacfully ?

i realy need the video for my curiousity

You can get it at, www.ogrish.com

Be warned, as you can imagine it's rather brutal.

I think the video is an obvious fake. The reasons are as obvious. I can name a lot of things wrong with this video but the most obvious is...WHERE IS THE BLOOD...not a drop.If you cut the head off a live human blood shoots everywhere...dah...wake up america before it's too late.

Hi all, what has happened is a terrible thing, we in britain have been fighting terrorists for hundreds of years, external and internal, we were fighting the arabs two hundred years before america was discovered by europe, and, in that time we have learned not to show distress,anger,pain, these things give the terrorists comfort in the knowledge that they hurt you, that their efforts were worth it,theres more to the british stiff upper lip than you would imagine. they say a good patriot is a person who is prepared to defend their country from it's government, so beware, and watch both sides, yours and theirs, government have gone for political corectness to such an extent they want to watch the ordinary citizen and appease the worlds scum,the support that they give the sons of abraham even when it is obvious that they are damaging the peace and security of the world is appalling, when government take sides like this it makes them targets for extreamist.sad but true. my best wishes to the family, I dont have to see the video to know the man died a hero at the hands of people he was there to help

I have unfortunatly seen the video. If you can't stomache it, which I don't suggest, but want pictures try http://informationclearinghouse.info/article6172.htm . The video is there as well.
I will say there is blood if you actually watched the video. I do not doubt someone was killed in this video. Who killed him? A lot of interesting points have been brought up about that. I don't personally know, I wasn't there.
I speak to many friends over there who are American troops and they do tell me most of the basic buildings look alike. Same build, shape, color, paints, decorations etc. It could be a coincidence, it could be a conspiracy.
I support the troops fully but I don't support this war. It's been know there are no WMD, there never were and there was no concrete evidence pointing to them. Nuclear reactors must be kept in a specific manner and there is no holding bay in Iraq that could facilitate this.
What is worse to me is the interviews from Iraq on Iraqi citizens happy about this murder, happy an american got what was coming to him and the attitude all should deserve the same.
I'm a proud American, I am just not proud of all our countries actions. Iraq will never be a mini US, they are their own country just as we are. It's time to pull out. As bad as it may seem for the citizens we may be helping, we need to help our own as well.
Continuing is making most feel Muslims want this, that all Muslims feel this way. The Islamic belief of an infidel is no different that the christian belief of a non-believer, the main goal of any religion is to convert the masses for eternal salvation.
Pointing fingers at who may have or may not have done this will get us no where. The POW's, Nick Berg, none of it will be justified. In this day and age we thrive on media though. None of these actions are new or unique in the game of war. If a bitalian is wandering the desert with not enough supplies for the troops, and they stuble upon the enemy and successfully over come them. Do you not think they will kill them rather than burden their own group with the possibility of keeping war prisoners for days on end and possibly risking their own lives due to this? No they shoot them. It's done often, the press just isn't there snapping pictures. It's done on both sides and that is the reality of war. I don't blame them for their actions either.

That site is where you can DOWNLOAD the beheaded American VIDEO file. http://www.ogrish.com/

You write that, "Seeing [the video] doesn't add any information to what you already know." I disagree. As a child growing up in the rural South, I killed a lot of animals, both for sport and for food. That included beheading live chickens (for food). And let me tell you, when you cut a living animal's head off, the still-beating heart, which is basically a pump, pumps out a lot of blood--actually, blood spurts out all over the place in rhythmic gushes. And the bigger the animal, the bigger the gushes.

In the video of Berg's alleged decapitation, no blood spurts at all, even when the guy saws through his jugular vein. So seeing the video most definitely gave me some information I didn't already have. In other words, get a clue, people!

Just the same, whatever it was that whoever it was did to the poor fellow is despicable, and I agree that the video, no matter how apparently fraudulent, is gruesome and very disturbing to behold. Then again, ultimately it is no more disturbing than what our illegally occupying forces are doing everyday to innocent Iraqis trying to defend their homes from foreign invaders--something none of us would take too kindly to, either, I imagine.

i say nuc the fucker and get it over with there worthless anyway just like muslims.

How is it a fake? They found the body with the head not too far away...

I think some interesting points have been raised. However, in the spirit of actual debate on this gruesome crime I have some comments.
(1) I think the orange jumpsuit is very interesting because the Americans DEFINATELY use those in their prisons. BUT...couldn't Iraqi's have found a way to get one (or even make one) if their INTENTION was to make a point in putting it on Berg to wear before his slaughter?. Maybe they purposely rounded one up or designed one because that is what the Americans use on prisoners in Iraq (and they use them at Guantanamo). It could be an American jumpsuit...but the Iraqis could have found one to use if making a statement by it.
(2) Marc says the "arabic is bad" in the video. How does he know? Is he fluent in Arabic? Perhaps he is, but really we need the opinion of some fluent Arabic speakers. I haven't heard many Arab commentators say that the "Arabic is bad." (although there is an editorial on aljazeera.com (May 13th) that says the "Allahu Akhbar" chanting was "awkward," "strained," and "not a natural voicing of the phrase."
(3) re: the bullet-proof vests. The images are not totally clear, but those vests look like they hold ammo, not bullet-proof vests. Even if they are bullet-proof vests, don't you think that Iraqi's can get those too? It's not like there isn't a black market out there of guns and equipment moving around.
(4) the white chair. Good observation. No comment.
(5) the walls being yellow and the baseboards being similar. As commented already, couldn't there be lots of buildings in Iraq that have this same appearance? Just like lots of buildings in the U.S. have white walls and similar baseboards?
(6) the men who killed Berg, some of them seem quite tall (the ones on the left side) and some of them seem a little chubby (the ones on the right side). Can we really make a generalized statement that no Iraqi's are tall or chubby? Not all Arabs are short and skinny. Even if most are, there is always exceptions. Can we generalize all Americans as tall and fat?
(7) the color of their skin: from the photos it seems like the men are lighter skinned. They are definately not as dark as the photo of the terrorist who murdered Daniel Pearl. But the terrorist who murdered Daniel Pearl was a PAKISTANI. It is pretty much a fact that PAKISTANI's (and INDIANS) are darker than Arabs. If you've ever been around PAKISTANI's or INDIANS then you have noticed this. Many Arabs are lighter skinned due to mixing with various other ethnic groups. There is Arabs with blue and green eyes and light hair and light skin. This is something to consider.

THOSE POINTS BEING MADE, I still feel like there are some unanswered questions and oddities.
Berg's detention by Iraqi police and interviews with the FBI/CIA in Iraq are strange.

Also, the voice on the tape may not be al-Zarqawi. Numerous people in Iraq have been saying that al-Zarqawi is already dead. Of course, it may serve the U.S. gov't. interests to say that he is not already dead and to blame this on him.

It would be interesting to have someone other than the U.S. gov't compare the voice on the video to al-Zarqawi's know voice (if it exists somewhere.)

I'm not saying the points brought up by Marc aren't valid...just that there are some other things to consider before declaring it is a U.S. gov.'t conspiracy. I don't put it past the U.S. gov't to do something heinous like this, but it's also possible that someone other than the U.S. did this crime.

Also, just because alot of blood didn't squirt doesn't mean he wasn't killed as shown. How do you explain the head being held up after it was sawed off? A trick? Please...Someone was killed in the video...although another interseting thing to consider is:
Although Nick Berg's decapitated body was found on a highway near Bagdad, was it really Nick Berg that was killed in the video? Or someone else? The photo in the video doesn't really look like that of Nick Berg in photos released by family. Either way, Nick Berg is dead and his decapitated body has already been returned to his family in PA. Someone had their head sawed off by some sick individuals and maybe we'll never know who was behind all of this.

Um... The photos were very old of Nick Berg. The video shows what he looked like and it was confirmed by his parents... those who said there was no blood, if you must watch the video again and you'll see it... Those photos were old, the parents confirmed his voice, and his face.

I don't think it's very important whether or not the victim was alive when they were beheaded, it's the bodycount and the symbolism that are important.

As for Beeson's comments, there is no al-Qaeda "regime". This terrible man is not an Iraqi, he is in that country because of the US-led action there. If you mean Islam, I suggest you think a bit harder as this would be a stupid thing for that community to support, as it will no doubt do more harm in the long run to them than it has to americans. If you just meant the al-Qaeda organisation then perhaps you're over-dramatising it a touch. I do not believe anyone would stoop to saying that these men are doing anything but horrific deeds.

I believe American troops are fighting the good fight and perhaps one day they will manage to bring peace and stability to Iraq. This does not mean I trust the U.S. administration not to lie through their teeth to their citizens.

Freedom of speech is a glorious thing, but I do not think that you are defending it with your comments, B.R. Beeson. I don't quite buy into this talk of conspiracy, but things don't add up. We owe it to this poor young man to ask questions until the truth of his ordeal is known.

Don't you think Al Qaeda would have told Al Jazeera they didn't behead Nick, if the US really beheaded him?

More points of contention:

Within 45 minutes of the original new release, Al-Jazeera visited the radical website from which Fox News, CNN, etc. supposedly downloaded the execution video and could not find it there.

Also raising suspicion are the reports that al-Zarqawi 1) had his leg amputated more than 1 year ago (but looks rather spry in the video), and 2) that al-Zarqawi was killed in northern Iraq in March.

This administration is desperate. Remember what Richard Nixon started resorting to when he got cornered...

I hope one or more reputable organizations perform a thorough investigation of this affair.

All I know is that them cutting an americans head off REALLY pisses me off. They should be severly punished for what they did. Thanks

I reluctantly saw the video which is gruesome as described but it does arise many questions i did not have before watching it.
I agree with the fact that there should have beed a LOT more blood than there was but take into consideration the fact that Berg had a dulled somewhat "doped" look to him suggesting low blood pressure and if indeed he was unaware of his beheading his blood pressure might just have been low enough to allow for minimun blood spurt.
Berg can also be shown struggling and screaming although both the audio and video are of poor quality and there is a lot of camera shaking, i am aware of video compositing methods and know that it could be very easy to fake the movement shown when Berg struggles, the mout opening and closing is a bit tougher but it can be done with a single laptop computer and minimum viedo postproduction knowledge obtainable over the internet.
So IS THIS VIDEO A FAKE? tough to say, logic tells me the video is real that a human being actually got his head severed in a incredibly gruesome manner, but i think that what we all want to believe is that the video is a fake, if indeed the video was made by the hands of some amateur terrorists it would have been much easier and logical to actually partake in the documented killing of a man than to go through the trouble of finding someone who knows how to composite video or learn it themselves, another issue to consider is that beheading was (and still is in some areas) a popular form of capital punishment in that particular area of the world, and although it is mostly carried out in a swift and controlled manner unlike the way shown in the video.
Sadness is probably the one thing i feel when i think of this, what has the human race come to?

and saddam was doing a lot of worse things to people than we could ever do even if thats what our intent was... i bet you didnt know that several years ago he had their national soccer team shot and killed because they lost a match that would put them in running to be in the world cup. all of you bastards can just bite me... stupid democratic hippies...

al qaeda is not the people of iraq, nor do they represent the will of hussein. don't get the two confused. that said, I'd like to see both parties securely locked up.

When OJ slit Nicole Brown Simpsons throat (remember the head was still slightly attached) the blood was all over her front yard, the pool of blood ran down the walkway to the front sidewalk, some was in his truck, some was in HIS driveway.

If you watch this video you will see that while the verdict was being read the time was civilian time, while the cutting was being done the time switches to military time. When the head was being held up after the beheading the time was back to civilian time.

This film was definitely spliced togather.

I understand your perception at what happened or appeared to happen on the video. I would simply like to point out a few things. One is the "jumpsuit" If you actually look closely at it is is a two piece. More like pajama's. The material is also silkier than those worn by prison detainees. Two. The chair. I would think that chairs like that at this time are a dime a dozen over there right now. The walls and floors. Ninety percent of the buildings over there are constructed of the same material and in the same way. Much like a group of apartments. This is a simple fact. I'm not saying what you are saying isnt a possibility. Just that those two items are not what you claim them to be. I also have seen where someone mentioned the tape was fake. I can assure, by reason I will not discuss, that the murder is real. One reason notes this particular. The beheading was started from the rear. This was to cause the maximum amount of pain and fear. The poor bastard felt at least the first 15 seconds. Then it is likely he passed out from the pain and/or fear. This was done for total effect reason. As far as not enough blood remember that the heart had most likely stopped pumping by the time the blade had circled and reached the major arteries located in the front of the neck. Graphic, but true.
Back on who did what you also mentioned the size. Dont forget that some terrorists are well funded and well fed. Now is your reasoning possible? Yes. I just dont find it as plausable. Interesting none the less.

well our good old american allies have caused another fuck up...and were not surprised.get ur country in some kind of 'normal' order in the next 300years and that would be greatly appreciated before your country gets blown to pieces.
regards,
a decent Australian citizen

Okay so this whole video clip has gotten two teachers at my school on a temp administrative leave. I cannot believe how stupid this whole situation is at my school. The administrators want to restrict everything from students these days...like when 9-11 occurred...there was an announcement that all the teachers had to shut off their tvs. Then some students interested in seeing the clip of this unfortunate event opened it up on a computer and watched it. One teacher who was put on leave told the student to turn it off right after they played the clip, and then an english teacher saw the clip being played in their classroom and said nothing. Now they both are on leave. It pisses me off when the administrators do this beacause they think it is good to control what we can and cannot see. In all reality, it is almost a communistic ideal because if students and teachers alike want to see events like this, why not be able to see it at school. After all, this is educational, is it not? My point exactly....stupid people making even more stupid decisions.

This type of thing is going every day around the world why is there such a big deal cause its the Americans?

I'm in the military, and I believe in our leaders and support their decisions. However, I also believe that conspiracy is very much alive...even in the U.S. Gov't. In this case, though, it doesn't seem likely to me. If your read your history books, you know that these dumb-dicks have been fighting since the beginning of time. They're always gonna be, and nothings gonna change that. Personally, I think a lot of this crap, including 9/11, could have been avoided if we'd never started lettin' fuckin' immigrants into OUR country to begin with!

please go back and listen to the video for the clearly audible voice of what sounds like a black american male saying 'i don't believe that' at the end of the tape.

After having read tons and tons of conflicting material written about Nick Berg, I feel positive that we do not know the whole story but I think we might be on the right track.

A picture is worth a thousand words? You would think a video tape would be worth a million words. Not the case as it seems.

Does anyone here remember Ruby Ridge? Where was the outrage when the FBI blew the head off of Vicki Weaver holding her 10 month old baby in her arms while standing in her own front door in IDAHO? Soon forgotten, and so will Mr. Berg.

Is there any site where I can download the whole movie, not just the beheading as I found on ogrish.com

I agree with many of marcs points (but it could also just be coincidence)
The thing I dont agree is about the jumpsuit, I think it is pink and not orange. But I must say that the one on the abuse picture is pink too. ( http://marc.perkel.com/images/orangejumpsuit.jpg ) This may be the same as Berg is wearing in the beheading video

Wow...has it been made in to a movie already? I doubt the military has "pink" jumpsuits.

this is all just a big set up for the american public forget what the american soldiers did to iraqs soldiers, and make the american people to hate the iraqs even more!
come on america,
wake up and decide,
will you finnally make peace,
or are we ALL gunna die?

This is in response to salemdog's post:

As far as not enough blood remember that the heart had most likely stopped pumping by the time the blade had circled and reached the major arteries located in the front of the neck.

OK, here's my counter:

Even if the heart stopped pumping it would take 2 minutes for the arteries to stop pumping OUT blood, and that's without hitting any major arteries such as the jugular or the cartoid artery, which is located on the side of the neck.

Also, unless I've suddenly become a half wit and been propelled back into the 13th century, since when did Arabs start using US Military Time, as shown on the video counter? I would think if the tape were made by terrorists, they would have used one of their own cameras, in which the counter would be ARABIC NUMERALS!
Just a few more inconsistencies to point out. Thanks.

the reason he is calm in the video and thers no blood is becuase the CIA edited every video that got out they wanted to stop the video floating around the internet how man of you would be able to move if your head was geting sawed off?

OMFG I HAVE THE SAME CHAIR THIS MUST BE A SCAM!

the reason they had him in the orange jump suite is becuase they wanted to dress him up like the people from Guntanmo bay

O yea yes im coo

type the CHECHEN war in google and look at some of the videos the chechens used aginst the russians that had the Military time

exactly my point

Moscow suffers serious defeat
Western Press keeps broadly commenting on the removal of the head of the invaders' regime in Chechnya, Kadyrov. On the whole, the vast majority of analysts and commentators agree that the removal of Kadyrov has..
2004-05-13 00:51:28

this guy posted up on this site a link to this site witch seems to me every thing on it is ANTI american and it seems as a Islamic website

I'm having a hard time finding the video so i can encounter what everybody has seen.please help me out i would like to see it .thank you

When I first heard about this I was so disgusted! and was determined never to watch it. Someone I know posted the link saying it was a conspiracy and when I opened it the video was playing! Unsuprisingly I was really mad! But it didn't seem too bad although I know that it was. I to thought it was a fake and I still am unsure, In the video there is blood, a pool under him. But couldn't this be faked like in films, they have great effects right? I really don't know who to believe. I am from the UK and don't put it past America to do this. I agree with what 'yes i'm coo coo' said about the blood though, there doesn't seem to be loads does there?

Jesus Christ!.
I don't know what I was thinking when I watched that video but it made me cry. It's been 10 minutes since I finished watching it, wow. What has the world become?
I feel so Sorry for him, and his family that they had to go through that.
Goodness. What are we really dealing with here?

people people please stop bickering amongst youselves. Its WAR and no war is glorious.No person has the right to inflict pain upon another life no matter how they rationlise it.
Evil begets evil and until people show tolerance and acceptance of other peoples beliefs and traditions,no matter how different to our own,we will always have war and violence.
YOU want to do something about STOP BLAMING EVERY ONE ELSE.
BE NICE TO EVERYONE U MEET WHEN U CAN AND EVEN A SMALL CHANGE IN ATTITUDE CAN HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE. Love its our strongest feeling and can turned to Hate very easily.With age comes wisdom we are all still chilren but were growing up.

I just watched the video the first time the end was hard. While I was watching it I was very disturbed by the demeanor of this young man. Even if he was unaware of what they were saying he didn't seem disturbed. If i was in that situation I would be bawling. He was way to comfortable. I watched him he only moved one time. He wasn't tired or uncomfortable, beaten and torchered. The other thing that disturbed me was the body language of the ''killers''. They were not angry and scary. They were leaning all over reajusting there positions. White tennies, light skin, some tall some short, lined up short to tall, reajusting there weapons like they were listening to a preacher. Not some major ordeal. The yelling and screaming began and the kid didnt even flinch. I mean my god. If i heard someone yelling like that seriously his facial expression did not change. I got scared and I am in the us come on. When you are angry and out to make a point to are tall and assertive. This is a big ball of poopoo. There was zero blood. Ok when your throught gets slit blood squirts out. When his head was removed there was zero blood there wasnt any dripping off of when his head was removed and the whole time this was going on he didnt make a peep! what? oh no. Nothing his face did not change. This Man was dead when they began cutting him. This man was unaware of his out come. This man trusted or at least felt unthreatened by his surroundings. There is no way that he would be comfortable with the thought that he was going to die and it would all be over soon. Ok it is a natural instinct to be afraid of the unknown. There was zero force in the reading of these guys, no tone change of any kind none. When someone reads something that they feel very strongly about their voices change pitch. It just happens. When someone is afraid they shrug look away he looked like he was modeling for someone. I am outraged!

the other thing real quick take a look at how his head is when they are sawing it when you go to slice someones neck you pull the head back they have his chin to his chest not the easiest route unless they didnt want to show the very lack of blood.

Hey - If you buy into that shit your crazy.
If anything Berg was an islamist sympahtizer that was willing to "die" for his cause by sacrificing himself at the hands of his compadres to teach the US a lesson...there are a hundred more credible sources that support this.

OPEN YOUR MIND...RESEARCH BOTH SIDES

The whole it's against Islam to do this and do that theory is BS...b/c Muslim Terrorists smoke, drink, etc...all things against their religion...wearing a ring...HA...come with something stronger or don't come at all...BTW I have been studying terrorist groups specifically islamo psychos and the muslim religion ie Koran/Hadiths/etc.

KNOW THY ENEMY AND STUDY HIM SO THAT YOU CAN BECOME HIM TO DESTROY HIM....

Be scared be very scared b/c killing Al Queada isn't going to end this...these guys are bigger than Al Queada ... the real threat is the Muslim Brotherhood started way back which spawned groups like Al Queada and the Jordanian Brotherhood and Hezbollah...etc.

KILL THEM ALL LET GOD SORT THEM OU

Where can i view the video? Ive been searching to view it for a couple days now, and I cant find it. Does anyone know a link or where it is or anything?

I am an American but lived overseas for MANY YEARS and NOONE SEE EXACTLY WHAT GOES ON. HOW AMERICANS TREAT THE ARABS IS UNEXCUABLE. EVERYDAY MANY ARABS ARE KILLED BY THE JEWS & AMERICANS, but the media dosen't show that. So when us the arabs do something, it gets broadcasted. This is one guy vs. millions of all people. AND what the hell is a JEW doing in IRAQ? Telecommunications or not..a JEW shouldnt be IN ARAB COUNTRIES> that is how we LOST PALESTINE!

Bush started the war?? Who came here and as chicken shit as they are hijacked planes full of women and children and flew them into working class offices????? We target military not women and children, and the thanks we get for people like marc who was out there repairing communication towers or making clean water to drink for the iraqie people, get beheaded... If they think they are so right, why did they hide there faces... I'm done with this american BS of protecting the world. I say from here out they kill one of us..... we kill 500 of them. we are a world power, its time to act like it.

In response to Texas , and those that are like minded.

That kind of American ignorance , bravado and self absorption is what got you into this mess in the first place.

Do you think you were targeted because you are a wealthy , desirable , enviable nation ? Think again.

Most of the world doesn't look up to the US , they simply ignore what they can , and tolerate the rest.

As for the Berg video , I agree it needs to be researched further. If the American government is not responsible directly , I would hazard a guess that they intentionally let Berg fall into the wrong hands , knowing full well what the likely outcome would be. My first thought after the story broke was ... this couldn't be better news for Dubya. What are the odds that it's a coincidence ?

Just nuke 'em all and let Allah sort 'em out period!

Kill the Iraqi SONS O' BITCHES!!!

> > Patton's fireside speech...
> >
> > If General George Patton were alive and President of the USA. This would be
> > his Fireside Speech:
> >
> > My fellow Americans:
> >
> > As you all know, the defeat of Iraq's regime has been completed. Since
> > congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in
> > Iraq is complete. This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of
> > all American forces from Iraq.
> >
> > This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now time to begin the
> > reckoning.
> > Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which
> > have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The
> > United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, Norway and Poland are some of
> > the countries listed there.
> >
> > The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world's
> > nations are on that list.
> >
> > My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this
> > evening.
> >
> > Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those
> > nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved
> > during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi
> > war. The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world
> > hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.
> >
> > Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.
> >
> > In the future, together with Congress, I will work to cut taxes and solve
> > some local problems. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw
> > with us and we will
> > hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the
> > earth.
> >
> > Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China.
> >
> > To Israel and the Palestinian Authority. You, boys. Work out a peace deal
> > now. Just note that Camp David is closed.
> >
> > Maybe all of you can go to Russia for negotiations. They have some great
> > palaces there. Big tables, too.
> >
> > I'm ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France,
> > Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring
> > from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.
> >
> > I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN
> > diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid tickets
> > to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed I don't
> > care about whatever treaty pertains to this. Pay your tickets tomorrow or
> > watch your precious Benzes, Beamers, and limos be turned over to some of the
> > finest chop shops in the world. I love New York.
> >
> > A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are going to
> > be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing
> > us off for a change. Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire
> > corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I have a couple of
> > extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I'm gonna put
> > 'em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with
> > your oil. Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA
> > treaty--starting
> > now.
> >
> > It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens.
> > Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying darn tootin'.
> >
> > Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world
> > has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet.
> > It is time to cut taxes here because we will not be spending on other
> > peoples problems.
> >
> > To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe you.
> >
> > To the nations on List 2, a final thought. Drop dead. God bless America.
> >
> > Thank you and good night.

That's got to be one of the best posts I have ever seen.

quote president Patton
"To Israel and the Palestinian Authority. You, boys. Work out a peace deal now.
Just note that Camp David is closed."

will you be withdrawing all funding for Isreal?
if so l33t
let the invasion begin. We'll show the Nazis how to run a holocaust :D

nikolas ,

maybe the rest of the world should do the same , and see how the US fares. you realize you import many resources / things from other countries right ? You think the US could be self sufficient ? think again. Do you think the * goodwill * America has shown the world is based in * goodwill* ? get real you naive yank . Your country is selfish , self absorbed and ignorant. For instance, you are "threatening" us Canadians with abolishing the free trade agreement ? go ahead ! it benefits the US much more than Canada. And *drop dead * right back at you , you pompous American moron . We can treat you however we want, and you will still come to our defense. Not because you are kind or thoughtful , but because it's in your best interests. Keep up the idiotic talk , and the rest of the world will keep correcting you , telling you how it really is.Your country is no more important than any other country.You don't get to make your own rules, you are not above world law. You are considered * terrorists * by some countries, it's all in your perspective . On the other hand , maybe America should focus on itself for awhile and leave the rest of the world alone, it might be a better place for it.

"Canada is like a loft apartment over a really great party"

You might not like our president... and believe it or not some of us don't either... but being a leading nation isn't easy... anything we do scruintized... Damned if you do... Damned if you don't... Personally i never wanted to enter Iraq, and i'm sure many americans share my thoughts, but just like you, we are prisoners to the leadership of our governments. Blameing America is wrong... blame our leadership, but don't insult our citezens... We're as much involved in the desions that affect our lives as you are... 1/300,000,000

May no innocent ever die of an unnatural cause again

If Canada is a loft apartment over a party , I'd liken it a frat party where girls are fed roofies , everyone pukes and someone gets their buns duct taped together. Hmm... think I'll stay upstairs.

Fair enough Smith , may I say , it's refreshing to hear the opinion of a rational American. Before you judge where myself and other Canadians get off insulting US individuals, go back and read some of the comments posted here by your countrymen.

It gets pretty monotonous ,boring and sadly , predictable.

Everyone all this site are a bunch of assholes who DOES NOT HAVE ANY IDEA OR WHATS GOING ON. 1St OF ALL ITS YOUR COUNTRY SUPPORTING ALL THIS. IF AMERICA WOULD JUST STAY OUT OF THE BUSINESS NONE OF THIS WOULD GO ON. America NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION TO AMERICA. America should take their own money and feed their OWN PEOPLE.!

on Sept 11 we should have nuked 3 countries in the middle east. Just draw the names out of the hat! The if something else happens nuke another one! in this great age of enlightenment when everyone hugs trees and thinks we should all hug and make up, the arabs would just as soon have us all die! Better to kill them first. Have a nice day!

God God absolutely scary American brothers plz plz I as an Indian plz could not take what I saw plz plz President Bush and American Countrymen plz stop this plz . These Arabs are crazy uncivilized and god knows what they are. Why do you want your people to suffer.
God after I saw the video I kind of collapsed God what a horrible set of people how could they do such a thing man those people inthe video actually cut of his head the way they do it goats god god plz what musthave happened to that man god is religion above mankind then I think

we tortured arab men in the most disgusting way and if it was indeed them who kiled this man then at least they did not strip him naked in front of a woman and sodomise him for fun. Who seems to be the more humane side? I would rather die in wone swift motion then be humiliated in such disgusting ways and have to live with it. I as a muslim find justice in the way they acted. We have no right to their country, resources or their people. May God punish all of the soldiers who have acted in such repulsive ways.

No offense to anyones perception, but I have viewed the Nick Berg Video Several Times and I think if you re look at the images you will realize that at the very least the hand holding his head at the end of the video is very dark. I am of Italian Descent and know what dark skin looks like. Now there are some questions about the others with the beheader but the head holder is as dark as I am and by the way the amount of Melanin in the skin varies from person to person. Stop stereotyping to fit your means/ Im not saying anything about this being a questionable situation and the Orange suit is strikingly similar to those at Abu Ghraib, but again another look at the images will show you that the head holder is much Darker then Nick Berg

You have got to be one of the most ignorant excuses for a human being that lives. To make such small minded comparisons and use them as a basis for a conspiracy is ignorant. They can get bullet proof vests and I am sure they have access to orange material and I'm equally sure they have building made of concrete that do infact have yellow walls. Come on! Use your brain. We have thousands of fellow Americans overseas fighting for peace. Fighting for your right to run your mouth and print garbage like you have. All the rights and freedoms you have are due to our soldiers sacrificing their lives to defend our rights. What do you do? Nothing! Take advantage of your freedoms to criticize. It is very easy to sit back and have all the time in the world to look for things to say and criticize about. You blame Bush? Read, read read!!! These terrorists plots were in the works well before Bush took office idiot! I believe it was wonder boy Clinton who was in office when the planning began. But he was too busy indulging in the perks of power to address any potential issues of that nature. Do your research before running your anti-american mouth.

Nick is dead. It doesn't matter if he was dead before his beheading, he was killed by disgusting muslim scum. Another American was just beheaded by Saudis today, yippee! I say load up a MOAB, and every time this happens drop it right in the middle of Gaza, Riyadh, or wherever the rats live. Every time a car-bomb blows in Iraq, drop a MOAB in the middle of town.

The only real way to get rid of these people is to GET RID OF THEM. Men, women, children, whatever if they're a threat to the US eliminate them!

this article was terribly written-i would recommend more writing classes

I know watching a guy being beheaded is terrible, but why would you go inside the lions cage when they are hungry.
These are just guys defending their values from the invaders. A small group of armed men against the most powerful force in the world.
You should seen the pictures of dead women and children after we finished bombarding Irak.

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I think that the video should be posted. Some people may argue that these soldiers have risked their lives for our freedom and deserve better, but I say what's the point of having that freedom if you don't use it? If you never use your rights, you're giving them away, and part of what has made America as strong as it is now is the freedom of the people. Post the video, or post a link to a website that does. Berg's family has my deepest sympathy, but the public has a right to know what really happens, not just the media's and government's version of it.

i am leaving for the marines in two days. i think that what our soliders did to the iraqis was nothing compared to what they did to our civilians in iraq and in the world trade center.

america wanted war and now they cry over the beheading war is war any thing goes no rules to war stupid fuckers

why don't do something about it

I think they shoud throw Bush ass out of office. He ain't really doing nothing for the black people anyway.

This comment is for Joy (The Canadian), How goes it Joy? Boy what a (Joy) it must be listening to your nonsensical retoric on a daily basis. I recently visited your beautiful country of Canada and found myself feeling like I were smack dab in downtown Basra. I couldn't go 3 miles in any direction without running into (Mosques) Boy you would think that with all the problems we (The World) is having with muslim extremist, that our neighbors to the north would excersize some discretion and not let 1/2 the population of Irak move there and open up a place of worship. Jesus our Chist did we learn anything from the events of September 11, did we not learn that plans are formulated and bought to form in these so called places of worship. Well I guess not because the citizens of Ontario (Toronto) in particular looked very happy go lucky and not worried at all. But I guess it's because unlike us are not "arogant and self absorbed" Who the hell said Canada could even speak on this matter of Right or Wrong Is Canada volunteering men and women to coalition forces in Iraq. Canada continues to live and prosper under this blanket of security The US has provided for them thru out hundreds of years. And to question the manner in which we conduct our affairs as a nation in order to ultimately bring you that safety and security that you so beautifully enjoy is Goddam Embarrassing! Hey Joy you no doubt are in some ways connected to some disenfranchise middle east interest group thriving out of Canada and are just to eager to Attack the US for its Policies. But I wonder how you would react to the US closing its borders to Canada and breaking all ties commercial and otherwise for ever with you Leaches. I mean after all you wouldnt have anything to worry about it's not like you wouldn't be able to count on Canadas Great Armed Forces OOOOOH. Scary! Canada The Brits don't Want you, The french don't have time for you, and we on the other hand are stuck with you. How is that easy on US , You are like the useless pair of torn stained underwear we keep running into while getting dress but hope we never have to use for fear of having our testicles fall out and get bruised. Oh Canada when will you ever just go away, sure we enjoy your Comedians, and Hockey, but that is not enough anymore. Does Canada ever get tired of riding on Americas Back I mean come on canada it's to get off now and take a big bite of this shit sandwich we call Responsibility and stop waiting for Daddy to come home with the Apple Pie every night. P.S. I hate Molson Beer!

This is ment for those who are young enough to service our nation (USA). I'm a 13.5 year veteran and I support anyone who is/was in the armed services. It might surpise you to know that not all people who are in the armed services are Republican. Personally, I equally distrust both parties. This translates to a no political party affiliation and it probably wont shock you when I say that I do not support the Iraq mess. However, I do believe in karma/payback and I definitely support going after Bin-asshole and the freeing of Afganistan. What about the beheading?
If this traveling dummy was beheaded alive or dead is not as important as knowing that many people in this world hate Americans including our north and south neighbors. Whether you are anti-war or a war monger makes no difference to the haters. If you want defend our nation from the haters and are considering joining the service then continue reading.
The real defense of our nation happens at the border. If you really want to defend our country then join the U.S. Border Patrol (They also get better pay). If you want to defend someone elses nation then join the military. If I caused you to change your mind on serving the nation I apologize. You can still help our great nation by becoming a produtive member of the U.S. Also, remember to vote. Long live The U.S.A.

Does anyone want the video clips of the american guy beaheaded by the terrorist? I have a copy. U can also email me at : msi69@singnet.com

I think that it is a responsibility we have as humans to question everything. We cannot trust or rely on human made things and must therefore always be open minded to the adverse. We musn't be biased or go and blame other people, insulting their heritage or country. Every person is different and can have a different opinion than what their country stands for. It is not un-American to question the justification of our soldiers being in Iraq or the motives of our government. The sources that supply our information must also be questioned; it must be a non biased source, preferrably stemming from an NGO like amnesty or the United Nations. We must always be on the lookout for each other. We are all living in the same world so why can we not make it a bit easier for each other? People are not wrong in fighting for what they believe, but they must be sure that they are not being ignorant and see that it isnt for one group or country that rights need to be fought for, but that in all countries people need to be protected. Privelidged people need to look out for the underprivelidged, and living life in comfortable ignorance will not make the moan of the poor or oppressed go away, it will just make them cry harder. We must always remember the words of ghandi, "Eye for an eye makes the world blind."

If you want to act for peace, go to www.amnesty.org Voices in the world are needed

IT'S TIME FOR THE MIDDLE EAST TO JUMP INTO THIS WAR AND PUT AMERICA IN IT'S PLACE CAUSE AMERICA IS GOING TO COME AND TAKE OVER THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST IF THEY DO NOTHING WATCH AND SEE

Tommy:
Where exactly do you consider "America's Place"?
Do you think our military is over there for the free car wash, or are they there just to see how well their fatigues go with sand?
Yes. Please enlighten me.

I think are military are over there being fags we need to change are name to the united queer states is what i think. are country is ran by queers THE MIDDLE EAST JUST NEEDS TO GET THERE ASS INTO IT AND PUSH AMERICA OUT OR FACE HAVING THERE LAND TOOK FROM THEM AS WELL IF IT WASNT FOR THE OIL THERE WE WOULDNT BE THERE MAYBE IF BEN LADEN CARRIED AND JAR OF OIL IN HIS POCKET WE COULD FIND HIM ????????????/

TOMMY:

I can't fail to question what kind of point you are trying to make. I am guessing by the angry tone of your letter that you want our soldiers home. I do not understand your use of the word queer, however. I have not seen one instance of where one of our soldiers tried to get people in the middle east to wear bright pink or pastel colors and I've also seen no Barbara Streisand pictures anywhere. I really don't think it has anything to do with "queer". I also noticed that your grammar needs a lot of work, but I have not called you a half- wit because of this.

Well if you think you are american tell what is an american ? you do know that are ancestors where not from here they came over on a boat and stold land and we still do the same thing history just keeps repeating its self so look into what your ancestors are and then you will know THIS IS THE LAND OF THE CON'S i think and would bet are ancestors were kick out of there real country for some reason maybe they were theifs there which is what we are today theifs but we put a name of america instead of saying hey we are going to steal your shit from you

To Iamorpheus .. Get out of the matrix, knob !

Virtually everything you posted proved my point about redneck yanks.

First of all , America hasn't been taking care of Canada for hundreds of years, read a history book moron.

We are not looking to join Britian , France, or even the US. so is that comment supposed to mean something ?

Any military support you give us is for the safety of your own skins, not ours . Thinking otherwise makes you an idiot. And also , by the way , allows me to say whatever the hell I want about your retarted country.

Hmmm I wonder which country has more muslims/ mosques, Canada or the US ? I'll bet you dollars to donuts it's YOU . maybe you are the closet extremist . Too bad you're not an intelligent human.

Iamorpheus,

dear sir, i was once warned never to argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

therefore sir, I withdraw.

good day

Tom, Tommy, whatever you are calling yourself these days:

I know exactly where I am from. I am also not the one bashing our country, so I have no reason or desire to explain myself. You, on the other hand are making absolutely no sense with the gibberish you are writing. Please take the time to sit and write a half legible argument, and maybe we can discuss this like adults.

HEY ITS OK YOU DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR WHERE YOUR REALLY FROM.AMERICA JUST NEEDS A GOOD ASS KICKING SO JUST KEEP WATCHING YOUR FAVORITE SHOW QUEER EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT GUY.THAT'S ALL AMERICA PUSHES IS FAG SHIT

Tommy b:

Thank you for once again making me realize that yes, there are people in this world that have absolutely no common sense, let alone the genius to put up a decent discussion with myself. Not only do I feel sorry for you, but for the future generations of this world if you are an example. Thank you last for making me remind myself that my children will not end up where you are. Have a nice day.

OK THE TRUTH IS THE AMERICAN'S ARE THE ONES WHO DID INFACT CUT THE HEAD OFF THE GUY BUT THEY DID TO GET THE AMERICAN PEPOLE BEHIND THEM

Hey joy.... I have one thing to say about your rambleing crap,you best be prepared to suffer your own demise you stupid (you probably owe us money)warped pot smoking go nowhere canadian LOP! You are a wimpering no balls peice off shit country that owes us americans for your safty(beings you have no courage to stand up and fight like a real nation would, go home and hide in your little green pasture and just remember you balless wimp .....your next so you best stand up and fight

pls help our brother angelo dela cruz who suffering now in the hand of iraqi militant.....I am a Filipino!!!always remember that without us you cannot defined whats the truth meaning of hospitability

Hey Dan ,

rambling has no E in it.

I don't smoke pot .

Why am I going nowhere ? I have an education , career and family.

of ... not off.

safety does have an E in it.

Being as , not beings .

I am not a wimp , but I am ball free, as I am female.

you're next , not your next.

Dan , you epitomize why the rest of the world laughs at American stupidity.

Go ahead, stop defending us. It's not like we are looking at a ground invasion of Canada, unless it's from the US , in which case you're not going to be defending us now are you ?

If we get some kind of nuclear attack, you have to retaliate, as it would be as detrimental to much of your country as well.

Ever been to Canada Dan ?

http://www.nakedsoldier.com/RS/rsid-546140/marker-281800:2888078_84/ THIS IS AMERICA'S BEST AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE AMERICA IS A GAY ASS COUNTRY

i watched the beheading video and i think it was too gruesome to be fake.. although i hope it was fake ..i wouldn't wish that kind of death on any human or animal no matter what they do ... i dont agree or disagree with the war i don't know enough about it to say and i'm in no control over it .. i feel for the iraqi people as much as i feel for the soldiers fighting over there ... peace to everyone xxx

the video of the beheading totally shocked me and i wont be watching it again to see the details that people have mentioned .. some of the peoples post show how nasty some people can be to say "kill all iraqis" is crazy and heartless .... peace out

lisa 29 england

i think i would like to view the video myself... could u tell me where to get it... anyway u got some interesting comment there... pray 4 the tortured... bless the dead...

i think i would like to view the video myself... could u tell me where to get it... anyway u got some interesting comment there... pray 4 the tortured... bless the dead...

Mark, you're an idiot. BR Peeson, you're an ignorant idiot.

i have seen the video and what you say marc is true there are inconsistensies in it i myself am a new zealander but am disgusted at such events what shocks me the most is how the leaders of one country can just sit back and let its own citizens be slaughtered i mean one for the many but to allow them to be slaughtered in such a way and im not up with the current events in america but i personally think that a murder no a slaughter of this kind would be followed by a speech or apology of some kind by bush to the family of nick berg i mean the get no compensation for the american goverments actions leading to their sons death was there any kind of negotiation for his release or was it a simple no sorry no terrorist poilcy and then basically say to nick berg sorry but ur going to have to die it myself couldnt justify it but im only 18 so yeah

The article is very disturbing but it's good to know whats happening out there. Bush should pay for the crimes

I just recently viewed this video<~~( The decapitation of Nick Berg)... and in comparisson to a few other beheading videos that I have viewed ( of other people NOT Mr.Berg )... In my opinion, this video is the 1 of the biggest piles of Doo-Doo that I have ever seen. Ameture film students/and workers at Madame Tussauds House of Wax can see the obvious flaws.
The 1st question I asked myself was.."where is the blood?"
Forget about the size of the men and what they are wearing...bottom line is...already dead or not...there was NO blood .

2nd... In all other beheadings that I have viewed... The person was blindfolded before the beheading...no blindfold seen on this Man(niquin)
(This is a COMMON practise that is done to the intended)

3rd... I do not speak Arabic, however, it is OBVIOUS to me when hearing the man reading his speech before beheading this Man(niquin)... was NOT from the Middle East.
I live in a Multi-cultural society and hear MANY languages everyday, I know what the Arabic language sounds like comming from the mouth of someone which Arabic is their mother tounge.
THAT was not.
I could go on..and on...and on.

It is amazing at what can be spoon fed to a mass of SIMPLETONS... then again, If media can make people eat McDonalds as food, I guess they can show a few men decapitating a Man(niquin) and say it's an American Citizen.... hmmmm

I just want to comment on some of the posts stating that this was a gruesome site to see.

Are you serious?... I have seen way more gore in Hollywood films than what I witnessed in this video.

Go do a search of what REAL brutal beheading videos looks and sounds like.. then do the comparisson.

You will be embarrassed at how easily you have been duped into beleiving that this was real.

Furthermore...

As you stated...

English was spoken in the background of the video.

TRUE... the exact words spoken are...

" That was a good one " <~~ Go ahead, convince me that this statement is 100% Arabic in nature

English is the language of the Enemy agianst Allah(God) according to radical Islamists (if I am wrong about this, please correct me)

IF these were real Iraqi terrorists... ENGLISH would NEVER be uttered(other than in an iterrogation situation). It would be a direct insult to Allah(God).

Look,

Neither side of this conflict is correct in ANY of their actions nor do I support what either side is doing.
Taking a life is reptillian PERIOD

When humans are killing... they are monsters...
When they are fighting... they are savages...
When they are shouting... they are hopeless...
When they are swearing... they are pathetic...

Nothing will ever be solved by war..
Never has...Never will

And if this "eye for an eye" attitude continues

We all are damned.