Marc Perkel Rantz

The videos and photos of Abu Ghraib Prison seem to be deliberately calculated to incite the Arab people. They look like something that we would produce to defame someone else. The Nick Berg video seemed to be calculated to incite the worst elements in Britain, Israel and the USA. What can be behind this seeming effort to produce propaganda for the sole purpose of inciting hatred-- with not regard as to who is hating who. Hatred for its own sake... it doesn't make sense. It reminds me of a Star Trek episode from the sixties-- The Wolf in the Fold. Here is a link to a plot synopsis of that episode:

http://www.ericweisstein.com/fun/startrek/WolfInTheFold.html

No, No y no!

Abu Ghraib Prison shoul not be demolish, doing so, is setting a blindfold on history.

Good or bad, history is what give us (or at least should) experience... is like the back mirror in our cars, if you don't see what is coming from behind, could cost us dearly.

Abu Ghraib Prison should be kept as a war museum, is has lots of valuable reminders, not only to Iraqis but to humanity.

Perhaps the Bush administration hopes that destroying it, it will erase from people minds the atrocities that took place within. Is there anything we can do to stop them from blinding us?

Raul Leon

why are they willing to desmolish the prison? Is it in purpose to hide what happened in there ? What don't they want us to know? Must we understand that there is something awful that they want to hide to the world ?
People around the world need to know what happened in there ? An investigation is needed.

I think that tearing it down is the most insane, ridiculous thing they could do. I also think that the reason for this is so that further investigation of the prison is halted. Is it just me or does anyone else think that this whole thing is just getting swept under the rug in another attempt to decieve the American people?

Abu Ghraib SHOULD be knocked down! Many Iraqi's see it as a symbol of tyranny and opression, keeping it as a bad memory is like saying they should have left the Saddaam statues up too! And his posters! Dont be silly people, why would the prisoners want to be reminded of the dreadful, indecent acts that occured? Its similar to ask a rape victim to keep pictures of her rapists house.. THINK before you speak..please.

IN Response to Kurdish:

Would you like to see Alcatraz, or maybe The White House torn down just because there was bad things going on there. Or hey! Here's an idea! Let's go and completely demolish Vietnam! Let's just knock down everything that ever makes us remember how bad something was! Let's get rid of not only American History, but other countries' histories as well! Silly? I don't think so.

Im a Kurdish Iraqi, and i know how kurds and iraqi's feel about that place OKAY!? Therefore i think its safe to say we want it demolished, despite your little wishes to turn it into a museum, you sick person, i think it is up to the IRAQI'S to decide NOT the Americans. And the Iraqi's are calling for it to be demolished. Thank you.

KURDISH:

Ok so it's real mature for you to get personal while trying to debate with someone about this subject. Let's just leave it to say that I might feel different if I were over there and saw it for myself. But OH! That's what our AMERICAN TROOPS ARE FOR!!! Fighting for your ungrateful ass and in a country that does not appreciate what they are there for. Call me sick and you can be assinine and bordering on half- wit status, but think about who's giving you the right to do it. THANK YOU

How dare you...in fact go on..carry on your little charade. You epitomise patheticness. I am grateful for American troops ridding Iraq of Sadaam. I am not, however, grateful of your comments.Of course im getting personal. Im saying Iraqi's DONT WANT IT to be there, and NO they would not like a stupid museum to be built whilst many are starving! Grow up and see reality.

By the way, your very welcome.

Ok, maybe if I write shorter sentences you will be able to understand me better. Instead of making this a personal attack on ME,
I think that YOU are the one that needs to grow up and find some common sense in that little world of yours, instead of blaming others for your lack thereof. If you want to rant and rave at ME about getting personal and starving Iraqi's, it will be a waste of good computer space. If you want to have a halfway decent discussion about tearing down a prison, however, I will be glad to do so. As far as you being "grateful" for my comments, I don't give a hokey shit what you think. I do not write on these things to please anyone, just to give my opinion. Now if you were paying me, maybe I would write something more to your liking. Until then, stop jumping all over my ass and act like the adult you claim to be.

Look, both of you have some points EXCEPT-
1. Iraq was "liberated" pre-maturely. We should have finished our buisness in Afghanistan and conducted a Psy-Ops campaign in Iraq (without the sodomy) while the Afghanistan campaign was under way.
2. "Ass-invasion" prison should be torn down as it symbolizes the old regime. If you all had paid attn. to the President's speech you would know that we are building a new prison to replace it.
3. How do we expect to convince the world and especially the Arab peoples that we are the goodguys if Americans who don't get paid by lobbyists can't rationalize the benefits of tearing down symbols of evil? Look at what the zionists have done with the nazi death camps. The holocaust was wrong, but I am tired of being reminded of it while the same thing happens in Africa daily (and where's the Un-nited totalitarian hypocrisy of socalist backbiting nations? Not in Sudan).
4. Iraq dosn't want a western democracy. I'm sure that many of them would just as likely kill a Westerner as shake their hand. On the other hand...

Rob: "Im sure that many of them would just as likely kill a Westerner as shake their hand" ... and on which basis are you placing this??

At the end of the day, i really cannot see why there is even a discussion on this. Iraqi's want it torn down. It is in Iraq. Iraq is a country where Iraqi's live. Need i be any more basic?

Kurdishit_P.
If the staving is your point, then why in hell you want a new prission? I think it would be better to build schools to educate people... like yourself. Or I have a better: a "macdonalds or tacobell" would help you to satisfy your needs.
Now if you want to destroy it, get a damn hammer and do it yoursel. If you really are who you said you are, than you are very good with your mouth... if you wanted saddam out, why you ran away without fighting back? See? This is my point, If you see the infamous building there and remember what happened, then next time you have a tirant running your country, then you will know what to do. So what you want? Just demolish it and forget about it...
Remebering bad experiences, and good experiences as well, is the way humanity matures. People took bebris from the berlin wall and nobody called them sick.
Go in peace, and live like a coward -if that is what you want- but in Japan, there is a war museum that tells about the atomic bombs and else. There are other museums in the world where people -sick as myself- study about the past.

Cheers

In response to whoever is saying "The Iraqi's want it torn down, so tear it down"....

Well the Iraqis did not ask me if I wanted to lose 2 family members in their "wonderful" country fighting for their right to make that decision! They also did not ask me how I felt to see people cheering about it, so right now, I feel like the Iraqis can kiss my ass.

I am not out to convince anyone of anything. I really don't give a tin shit if they think I am a "good guy" or not.

K.P.- You should have used the rest of the thought : "On the other hand..." DUAL AGENGAS of Iraq and "The West". Can you tell me that much of these rivaled hostilities aren't carried over from The Crusades? Oh yeah, Iraq is Halburton"s country now. I can't wait to hear the National Anthem.
Y.i.c.c. -You don't have to like "them". It's your constitutional right not to (In socalist canada hate speech has been outlawed, be happy we are in a democracy) but we have to pretend for world media P.R.

Well thank goodness we don't live in Canada. Why is it such a priority that we have to look good and "mind" our manners to other countries? Everyone knows we are pissed off, everyone knows what's going on. So why hide it? (Yes, I really want to know).

PRETENDING is different from hiding.
Machiavelli is credited with "Keep your friends close, enemies closer."
Makes sense to me.

"Well the Iraqis did not ask me if I wanted to lose 2 family members in their "wonderful" country fighting for their right to make that decision! They also did not ask me how I felt to see people cheering about it, so right now, I feel like the Iraqis can kiss my ass. "

Frankly, to the Iraqi people and our own government, the opinions of a single individual out of a cluster of hundreds of millions who are not the leaders of corporations or government institutions or states or departments is irrelevant. The soldiers are pawns in the United States' game against "Terror".

As long as they have just enough people in the populous giving them support, they don't care how the rest feel.

To our government the corporate and political interests in the region are the driving factors, not the consent of people towards the bottom of the food chain. And to the Iraqis, depending on which faction, are all as concerned with what's in it for them as you are about whats in it for you since you lost two family members.

I really sympathize with your losses, but in the grand scheme of things world wide their lives don't matter. The furthering of political, corporate, and military goals of governing entities do, and they don't care much about what sacrifices others have to do in their name.

I am a united states marine that spent 7 months at the Abu Ghraib Prison defending those that lived and worked inside. My unit defended that prison as if it stood on american Soil.The history is important to people but not only the history but the memories of Abu Ghraib for me personally won't go away by just tearing down a few buildings. If President Bush is that naive to believe that tearing the Prison down will erase all the wrong doing of the US Army he should really rethink his options. The buildings inside the walls of abu ghraib prison are good enough to be used for the next 20 yrs. By that time it will be the responsibilty of the Iraqi people to replace. .