Here's something I snagged from CBS. More Enron tapes gloating about shutting down California. People died in these power outages. These people should be prosecuted for manslaughter. These are the people who put Bush in office and who Bush and Ashcroft are trying to protect. Ashcroft took $57,000 bucks from Enron when he ran for US senate against me in 2000.
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(CBS) The Department of Justice reportedly has thousands of hours of Enron employees recorded during the West Coast power crisis. Now, some in Congress want all the tapes released.
"I want to make sure that no federal agency suppresses this information, makes the case harder for us to get relief," says U.S. Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash.
After CBS broadcast the voices of Enron energy traders gloating over the crisis they helped create, more tapes were released.
In one tape, an employee says, "You gotta think the economy is going to f------g get crushed, man. This is like a recession waiting to f-----g happen."
The tapes show Enron tried to bring California to its knees.
Elsewhere on the tapes, another employee says, "This is where California breaks."
"Yeah, it sure does man," says another.
And they proposed to do that by exporting energy out of the state so the company could drive up prices even more.
"What we need to do is to help in the cause of, ah, downfall of California," an employee is heard saying on the tapes. "You guys need to pull your megawatts out of California on a daily basis."
"They're on the ropes today," says another employee. "I exported like a f------g 400 megs."
"Wow,'' says another employee, "f--k 'em, right!"
Traders can be heard manipulating the market, using now-infamous schemes with names like death star, ricochet and fat boy.
One employee is heard asking, "You want to do some fat boys or, or whatever, man, you know, take advantage of it."
In fat boy, Enron traders used fake power sales to hide megawatts, shrinking the supply of energy and driving up prices. They also used the oldest trick in the book: lies.
"It's called lies. It's all how well you can weave these lies together, Shari, alright, so," an employee is heard saying.
The other employee says, "I feel like I'm being corrupted now."
The first employee adds, "No, this is marketing,"
"OK.''
The tapes could affect dozens of cases already filed against the company by California Attorney General Bill Lockyer.
"If these are ever heard by a jury, they're going get strung up," says Lockyer.
After hearing the tapes, the state's two U.S. senators demanded an immediate $8.9 billion refund.
At a recent hearing Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif. said, "All I can tell you is you have to listen to what's happening out there to ordinary people who you are responsible to help through this."
With Enron and other major energy companies in bankruptcy, big refunds are unlikely. But the tapes could provide the evidence states and cities need to break contracts they were forced to sign at the height of the energy crisis.
Marc, Come on with this ENRON crap. You CANNOT possibly believe any one party was better aligned with ENRON. The underlying fundamental to California's power problems are in the state itself. They refuse to build new power plants. The liberals want power, but do not want allow the companies to build power plants.
Furthermore, Ken Lay did have a sleep over in the Lincoln Bedroom (White House). But, it was under former-President Clinton that the invitation was extended.
Posted by: X-FREEPER at June 9, 2004 06:31 AMHey Marc,
[Beating a dead horse.]
Didn't we cover this already?
It happened under Clinton.
These things take planning.
What years did the ENRON CEO's get hired to ENRON?
That would be a good place to start.
A better place would be when Enron's CEO got a large number of his proposed regulations enacted during the Bush administration.
But you already knew that. and it wouldn't fit in with bashing all Dems all the time - so it was conveniently omitted from the discussion.
What kind of an agenda are you pushing for your conservative masters this time?
Posted by: (: Tom :) at June 9, 2004 09:44 AMDon't you suppose that the truth is revealed between the lines of two arguments from opposing views?
That's why I like Marc's site.
It's your "spin page" on the other hand that seems like agenda (besides the cats).
That and a lot of PROPS (links) to MARC for his neat site.
Are you shamelessly self-promoting?
(or am I doing it for you?)
Neither.
You're sowing confusion in the ranks of the progressives who come here, mainly by spewing the standard Repug propaganda.
I have shamelessly self-promoted. Maybe even here. But that is not my purpose when responding to your comments.
And, no, you are definitely not doing any promotional work on my behalf. Even if that is your purpose with these comments.
Of course I have an agenda. Everybody does, including you and the host of this site. What point are you trying to make here?
If you want an agenda, head over to the Free Republic. Or Little Green Footballs, or Emperor Misha's zone, or any one of the countless other shills for the current junta occupying the White House.
And by all means keep on showing us how foolish the Repugnicant point of view is. And how the Repugs try and seem to be fair when in fact they are pushing their own nefarious schemes.
For example : "Don't you suppose that the truth is revealed between the lines of two arguments from opposing views?"
Not if the arguments are coming from Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly. Are you suggesting that the truth is somewhere in beween those two (who often disparage each other's points of view)? Somewhere between my views and those of Marc Perkel? Or are you trying to suggest that we should treat Marc's opinions as being as truthful (or as far removed from the middle of the road viewpoint) as those of Rush? Any of these methods primarily accomplish one thing: they move the line defining the middle of the road. Which is what it appears to me that you are doing with this statement.
Posted by: (: Tom :) at June 10, 2004 10:29 AM Yes
I can see that you do have an agenda.
Thanks for admitting so.
Last time I checked it was a free country, and my opinions (may not be popular)
are unfeigned.
Unlike the bulk of yours.
You have points to your arguments,
you seem well educated (thanks mom, dad and Trust-Fund),
Your strategies are decent,
But you seem very narrow minded and sort of full of your self.
Things in the real world aren't as sharply contrasted as you may like to believe.
Take up a cause thats not bigger than you or I.
That is-
unless you want (like) to waste your time
Too bad you can't admit you have an agenda as well.
Nice of you to tell me why I am putting my opinions up here. How long have you had this amazing ability to determine what others are thinking? Or perhaps you are putting words in their mouths?
No trust fund here. Got through school by borrowing a little from the 'rents and paid it all off on my own. Just because the norm in your world is to sponge off your parents, don't try and make it the norm in mine...
As for being narrow-minded and full of myself: maybe you should get a mirror and take a good look in there. You should see all of the things you find fault with in others if you look hard enough...
What I choose to do with my time is my business. I appreciate the suggestions, but I would give you a suggestion of my own on what you can do with them.
Thanks for admitting that trying to show you the error of your ways is a waste of time. FReepertrash tend to be unable to keep more than one coherent thought in their melons at a time. At least you're big enough to admit that.
I notice that you seem unable to defend your opinions rationally, and tend to resort to name calling once your points of view are shown to be the mindless prattle coming from Faux News. Also straight from the Repugnicant playbook, I'm afraid...
Smarter ditto monkeys, please...
Posted by: (: Tom :) at June 10, 2004 12:51 PMI have never borrowed money from anyone. My parents are too poor to take care of themselves.
No loans either.
Just good old hard work and determination.
You tend to be more of a name caller than I am-
All I gave you was constructive criticism in an attempt for you to better your arguments.
You seem like an angry guy
What's a matter, don't get laid (at all) enough?
Ahhh... the usual Repugnicant fascination with sex.
It's like you're reading from the manual...
Here, monkey -
Have
A
Banana.
Posted by: (: Tom :) at June 10, 2004 07:22 PMBut Mad magazine said it was Democrats.
[ha ha]
Remember that you instigated the name calling in the first place?
It must be nice to live a double-standard.
"Remember that you instigated the name calling in the first place?"
Actually - no, I don't. I do see someone who asks a lot of questions, but then can't seem to answer any sent their way. And someone who thinks that constructive criticism is saying "But you seem very narrow minded and sort of full of your self." and "You seem like an angry guy
What's a matter, don't get laid (at all) enough?"
"It must be nice to live a double-standard."
Coming from someone who sees none of any Repugnicant Party members' flaws and all of any Democrat's, that last statement is pretty much the definition of irony.
Taken any hostages today? Or do you just let others do your dirty work for you?
Posted by: (: Tom :) at June 11, 2004 08:54 AM