Marc Perkel Rantz

Unfortunately, under the U.N. ICC the U.S. and _all_ of it's officials and citizens are exempt from war crimes prosecution (or at least were)

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http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=2342

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has firmly opposed US efforts to extend immunity of US citizens from prosecution for war crimes.

"As you know, for the past two years, I have spoken quite strongly against the exemption, and I think it would be unfortunate for one to press for such an exemption, given the prisoner abuse in Iraq," Annan told reporters on Thursday as he arrived at UN's New York headquarters.

"I think in this circumstance it would be unwise to press for an exemption and it would be even more unwise on the part of the Security Council to grant it," he stressed.

"It would discredit the council and the United Nations that stands for rule of law and the primacy of rule of law," Annan added. "I don't think it should be encouraged by the council."

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muslims have always been labelled terrorists.u see a man in muslim headgear, long beards, flowing robes walking down a street, ppl will think! terrorists.Not a father picking up his sons from school.Similarly, u see a female muslim in chador or hijab, ppl just assumed an oppressed woman without knowing if the woman chooses to don the hijab out of free will.Hajis, gooks ..all this name calling serves to hide the fact that the person is human, and to justify all the violence against them

There's a big difference between the views of "the government of America" and the views of "Americans".

Of course we see them as sub-human. Otherwise we would not cheer their death and destruction. I would rather be beheaded than see my family including parents and children be vaporized by an American bomb. Disgusting. They cry for their children and love their children as much as we do. Those of you cheering this sub-human activity are sick. That is what is sub-human...our behavior around the world. Get over your revenge and need for greed.

"That is what is sub-human...our behavior around the world."

If by "our" you mean "humankind's", I agree with you. Treating "outsiders" as less deserving of respect than one's in-group has been happening since humans first started gathering into tribes.

MadBlue: I think you are wrong. There are many peoples that live in peace. The annihilation of people and cultures is not something that has been happening forever and evenso, is it right? Come on, do you subscribe to tibal wars? If you do, are you willing to KILL anyone that comes in your way and disrupts your life? Like the Oil Companies shutting down their plants for "spring cleaning"? Your gas prices have risen because of that....maybe you should get your tribe together and stop them!

I'm not saying that I agree with treating others that way, nor that all individuals treat others that way. I'm saying that it isn't something inherent in being from a culture in the northern part of the Western Hemisphere. Human societies have treated "outsiders" as deserving of less respect since Day One.

Annihilation of peoples and cultures? It's going on all over the world. And I'm not talking about what's being done by the American military (not that I'm condoning everything that is happening in Iraq - I'm outraged by what went on at Abu Ghraib and in other places).

And as far as the behavior of individual Americans around the world - well, the day-to-day lives of the six million Americans living abroad hardly make headline news (and the military accounts for only 8% of Americans living abroad). Of course the billions of US dollars spent on foreign assistance and disaster recovery isn't front-page material either.

I don't disagree with you on what you said about the behavior of people cheering death and destruction, but making a blanket statement like "American behavior around the world is sub-human" amounts to the same thing as making a blanket statement about Muslims being terrorists.

Allen, you think that they cry for their children and love them as much as we do? Are you nuts? They cheers when one of their children wears a vest bomb, and blows something up. Their child becomes a martyr.

Someone once said that terrorism in the middle east will not end until the day comes that muslims love their children MORE than they hate their enemies.

...I doubt its a matter of _not_ loving them, more like, they believe that the kids are blowing themselves up for an incredibly noble cause and therefore worth the sacrifice in their minds.

Uh, if it had been an incident of an American prison guard beating an American prisoner to death it would still be referred to as an "assult" (though hopefully spelled correctly) and "abuse", because at the base of it that is what the actions were.

That's hardly a base to make such a sweeping and ignorant (lol, you must be an American) assumption.

First of all, it's "assault" :)

Personally, I think it's bullshit the US Government use the term "terrorist" to back up their crimes in Iraq. Why are the Iraqis called terrorists and insurgents when they are the ones being INVADED! They are soldiers too, protecting what is rightfully theirs. US claims they fight for freedom and that they are helping people in Iraq. Why are so many americans still stands for these bullshit believes? These constant hostage beheadings and other similar events are just tools of propaganda to make Americans feel more justified for themselves. Just leave Iraq and then the people would be truly free...

Bullshit indeed.

"Definition provided by The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

terrorism:

Noun
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."

...Guess what great country seems to fit that definition alongside the arab terrorists. The irony of their fighting a "War on Terror". Heh, its easy to smear enemies as "terrorists" when the powers that be aren't much better, just more business like in their manner. If anything, everyone who just intimidates another human being is a terrorist by that definition.

Perhaps not topical (but Marc hasn't put up anything about the beheadings since Berg's), but it's pretty clear by now that the "orange jumpsuit" thing is symbolic. News reports always report that the victim "wears a jumpsuit similar to those at Guantanamo Bay/Abu Ghraib", but they've all been completely different. Kim's look's like a shirt put backwards - the terrorists probably use anything they can find.

"There's a big difference between the views of "the government of America" and the views of "Americans".

I agree whole heartedly.As a Canadian progressive I'm constantly hearing Conservatives saying that theres too much "American Bashing" going on in Canada.I don't hate Americans,just the disgusting excuse for a government and a President that happen to hold power at the moment.As for the obvious double standard at work when it comes to "torture" or "abuse" depending upon which country is doling out the punishment,we are talking about...theres no excuse for it.We all the difference between right and wrong and the treatment of those prisoners at Abu Ghraib was abhorant,regardless of how we choose to "frame" our veiws.

"There's a big difference between the views of "the government of America" and the views of "Americans".

Depends on what "Americans" you ask. There are people who think Bush and his lackeys are doing nothing but "good" and support [quite a few or all of] his initiatives and policies. (as for what amount of the general public that describes is beyond me, maybe around a fourth or a half)

"Depends on what "Americans" you ask. There are people who think Bush and his lackeys are doing nothing but "good" and support [quite a few or all of] his initiatives and policies. (as for what amount of the general public that describes is beyond me, maybe around a fourth or a half)"

On the other hand, that means that at least 50-75% of Americans don't think Bush is doing a good job. And even of those who support what Bush is doing, not all of them "view Iraqis/Muslims as subhuman".

It may be clear to Marc that the American government (or at least the current administration) has the views he states they do, but the "it's true depending on who you ask" defense isn't enough justification for painting Americans with the same brush.

Deleting my posts again Marc? I suppose you will be banning my IP next, so after one more run down the site I shall check out. I suppose I should be honord to pose such a threat, but how could I possibly be interested in your opinion of me? Ta-ta. Oh, do leave the guinea post up, won't you? That can't possibly hurt anyone's feelings and I would like to school X-Freeper.

First of all, the mere fact that you state that you are the "most dangerous mind on the inetrnet" goes to show how completely off base you are. You are nobody. And I would love to know how you know which is better...to be beheaded or kicked to death, since i am assuming you have been neither kicked to death or beheaded. Please xplain that on your next "rant". And the last i heard, these "people" doing the beheading, weren't actually doing it because of the "abuse" at the prisons. They are demandingthe release of all prisoners. These demands were being made BEFORE the abuses were made public. And the American's view the Iraqi's and Muslims as Sub-human? When was teh last time you were over there and saw how the American's treated the Iraqi's and Muslims? I am not an American, but I have spent years over there, only recently coming back to the States this April. The government and soldiers, in general, treat the people with respect and dignity. True, a few do not, but you can not possibly blame a wholoe community for that, the same as no one can blame the Iraqi people for what a few have done. The majority of people there are more than happy that the American's invaded. The majority of them are more than happy that even in the times of full battles, the American's did not attack on their Holy Days. The American's have provided food, shelter, and money that these people have not seen since Saddam took power. So stop sitting their like the priveledged American you are and whine about things you only hear about on TV. In reality, the insurgents in Iraq are actually against YOU. You are the ones they hate, because you are so damn smug, and actually represent the America they think is a reality. You sit back in a comfortable home, in front of your computer and just dribble on and on about what you hear from the media. Try living lie over there, and then get on your damn web page and see what you have to whine about....

cant wait when the islamic state is established and we come conquering america and the west. taking their women and property as booty

you morons are freakin deluded if you believe that the rags are actually humans... case in point

1. It is a human trait to care for your children and raise a family, with family values. muslims do not possess this trait, only caring for the male children long enough to train them to hate westerners and jews

2. It is not a human trait to send the children wholesale out to die while the adults hide.

3. When a human converts to islam, they deny their humanity street credentials because, unlike humans, muslims are incapable of compassion. Muslims are dirty filthy apes. If the muslims are not stopped, contained, and either executed or sterilized, Planet of the Apes will become a reality.

there are no muslim men, only males
there are no muslim women, only females
there are no muslim children, only pups.

To ensure the safety of the citizens of the USA, internment of muslims in the USA must immediately occur until a plausible method of loyality determination can take place. Loyality determination must include the renouncement of any form of islam.

The muslims must remain interred until such time that the threat posed by islam in all forms can be dealt with, or eradicated

I feel sorry for those of you who feel that the us government can do no wrong. Then again, the mainstream media propaganda machine is strong. I can't help but recall a certain time when my people were considered subhuman in this great country. Look, those of you in denial need to take your heads out of your asses and wake up. The us government doesn't give a damn about you. Why do you think the draft's coming back? Then again, I guess those of you who hate Muslims will get a chance to fight a lot of them. But riddle me this: how do fight an enemy when they are willing to end their life to take yours?

I see no evidence that points to Muslims being peace loving people. In fact practically all of the violence being perpetuated in the world today is being done by Muslims. America has the right to defend it's Citizens any way it can. Muslims attacked this country before and on 9/11. The Muslims brought this upon themselves, they started it. The USA will end it. Make no mistake about that.