May 12, 2004

Is the voice that of al-Zarqawi?

According to CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/12/iraq.berg/index.html

"The voice on the tape could not be verified as that of al-Zarqawi. CNN staff members familiar with al-Zarqawi's voice said the voice on the tape did not sound like him."

However - many in the news media and US generals are still stating that the executioner is al-Zarqawi. It would seem that those who are perpatrating this fraud wants very much to link it to al-Zarqawi.

"U.S. intelligence officials have concluded that terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was the person shown on a video beheading an American civilian in Iraq, based on an analysis of the voice on the video, a CIA official said Thursday."

Posted by marc at May 12, 2004 10:22 PM | TrackBack
Comments

Wondering the same - what a convenient turn of events for the embarrassed War Machine.

Why is he wearing the orange jumpsuit? What is with the time lag in the video? We all know the face of Osama - is there a reason these men are all masked?

Posted by: trust no one at May 13, 2004 01:23 AM

Hi Marc,

this is not a response to this particular blog entry but to the site in general. thank you for all of it, and particularly for "Mind worm".
I came here because I was looking for a place to download the Berg beheading. I have been keeping archives of internet and media stuff since the outbreak of the Second Intifada. I do not know why I am doing this, I am looking for something but don't know what exactly. I have a very complete file on John Walker Lindh, for instance. I believe he is innocent. I could write more about that. Through the links you provided, I viewed "AfganPOWsKilled.mov" which contains a Lindh sequence I don't have and lots of info relative to his arrest. I can't manage-figure out how to download it to my hard disk. I am not a nerd, could you please help me?
I also wish you would change your mind and make the beheading video available for downloading on your site. I understand your reasons for not doing so. When the Abu Graib torture photos came out, I refused to look at them for a while. I thought, "I already knew this kind of torture was going on, what will seeing it change?" and it's true that when i did finally look at them, I had nightmares afterwards and was swayed by the feelings those images provoked (something I try not to let happen in relation to politics). But, I am sure you will agree that seeing those images is part of a collective experience, part of what is happening to us right now, part of history. The same applies to the Berg beheading.

P.

Posted by: Palombera at May 13, 2004 01:28 AM

You can download the video at CONSUMPTIONJUNCTION.COM

Posted by: JoeBlow at May 14, 2004 07:51 AM

dimmick, you are clearly a plant...so why not put down some roots elsewhere, "idiot".

Posted by: dmac at May 15, 2004 05:32 PM

Fox and MSNBC news reported al-Zarqawi was killed in the mountains of Iraq in February this year.

Posted by: Janet at May 16, 2004 03:03 PM

Marc,
There is a gold ring on the ring finger (R) hand of the person reading the script.That is against Islamic law. These guys are religious fanatics -- they would not wear a gold ring -- no way !!! The person to our(L)appears to be a woman. If you will notice the shifting is feminine. She is wearing a bullet proof vest under her clothes. I would assume that they are all wearing vests -- American vests at that. Get a magnifying glass to view it all. yes, the chair appears to be the same chair and is the same style. The orange suit is US property. These look like overweight guys. One guy appears to be 6ft.4in. tall. That is why he is wearing a white mask - to cut down his height. The strange thing is that the video does not belong to the audio tape. It is two seperate things. That is why it was put on the internet. You can get by with it that way and only that way. They could have taped Nic's screams, etc. and the other talking and put it together with the voice script of the one they have accused of the horrible crime. That is the reason why it was put on the internet and not on TV. They would know it was fake if it was put on TV . Think about it. We all need to get in touch with Nic's folks too. We need to demand a Congressional hearing. They are wanting this to cause a Revolution in the middle east and keep the war going so these folks will kill each other and mean while someone somewhere is making big bucks off this war. War is only for profit !!!I agree ---- we need to fire a whole lot of people. NOW, Heads need to roll - excuse me for being so frank.

Posted by: No name at May 17, 2004 03:00 PM

believe it's definately a conspiracy and who ever shot this terrible video had done a good job to keep people like us here guessing.

This terrible murder was shot for the sole purpose of a spin to use as a single headline for prime time television around the world, no more no less, its main aim is to distract the world population from tortures at Abu Gharib Prison and to sway the large number of descent people to accept that after all USA is better and just than the Islamists, but I believe Berg's murder will definately backfire on the murders and accomplices.

Powell is very angry that Many Arab leaders had not condemn strongly the killing of Berg by the terrorist, I will tell him why: because more 80% of Arabs and Muslims do not believe that the Islamist did it because the accent is not jordanian, but the two main reasons for not believing are:

1. Western Language had been spoken just before the Berg's head was held up.

2. Near the end of so called Zarqawi beheading the actual ARABIC SPEAKER was uttering Muslim Prayers "SEEKING REFUGE IN GOD" at least 3 times, Now for Muslims this is very clear that the killers are not Islamist, had they been we will never had heard that type of prayers, we would had heard only "allah U akbar" just as we did during the begening of the act on the video, Non Muslims had to understand clearly that if Islamists commit themselves to act as this video claimed, they would had done it in the name of their religion and Allah so their inner-self would be free of any guilt, they don't need any prayers as the poor onlooker (speaker) who felt terrible witnessing this terrible crime.

Posted by: ahmed at May 18, 2004 02:27 AM

If the terroists had Berg in their possession why didn't they flaunt him as they did other workers (such as Hammill). It is unlike them to keep a hostage secret.
Also, notice that Berg's eyes don't move. Most people will blink constantly (nerves) and their eyes will move around a room.
Watch the clips of Hammill, his eyes blinked constantly.
I don't know for sure who did this, but I am sure that Berg was not alive during the beheading!

Posted by: intheknow at May 18, 2004 10:11 AM

The picture of Pearl,s captors hand has a ring on it. Does this square?
David

Posted by: David at May 18, 2004 02:28 PM

Marc,
I watched the entire video and well, it sickend me...i just wanted to point out something that i don't think was covered...when "al-Zarqawi" pulled out the short sword to behead Nick and began to cut, the camera does a quick close up and then you can't see anything for a good 5-7 seconds...what was going on in those seconds? Were they switching out Nick for a Dummy Nick or what? And the fact that it was probably a camera with digital auto focusing, why, then, was the tape so blurry? Were they using cheap Hollywood-type effects? And if that's the case, then could Nick Berg still be alive, somewhere with a different identity?

Posted by: Blaze at May 18, 2004 04:21 PM


Look at this article:

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=5/18/2004&Cat=2&Num=029

Nick Berg Decapitation Video a Fraud: Doctor


LOS ANGELES, ALTA CALIFORNIA (La Voz de Aztlan) -- The first casualty of war is the truth and this one has been no exception. La Voz de Aztlan obtained a copy of the video showing the beheading of American Nick Berg of Philadelphia and immediately something very odd was readily apparent. Not only were the purported screams of Nick Berg not in synchrony with the decapitation but there was also a total lack of blood spurting out as his jugular and other veins and arteries were being cut.

We forwarded the video to… a surgeon and forensic expert in Mexico City for his expert opinion. He wrote back and commented… that there is no way that the individual in the video was alive and his heart pumping while his neck was being cut. The doctor adds that in these cases, while the heart is pumping, cutting a person’s artery in the neck would cause copious amounts of blood to spurt all over the immediate environment. He says that in his opinion the video is a fraud. If you are able to view the video, please pay close attention to the five so called Al Qaeda terrorists making the political statement. Look at their height, weight, skin color and their mannerisms. Do you think these people are Arabs or Iraqis?



Posted by: Parrot at May 18, 2004 04:44 PM

Also see:
http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/vote/vote-32694.html

this site is taking a vote on whether or not the beheading was fake!

Posted by: parrot at May 18, 2004 04:53 PM

You forgot to mention 'Zaqawri's' gold ring in your articles, including the OMFG post.
Islamic males are prohibited from wearing gold rings and jewellery by the preachings/commands of the prophet, Mohammed.
There is no way that a jihadist from any nation in the mid-east would be caught dead wearing a gold ring...it is a banned practice throughout the muslim/arab world.
Just type "muslim males and gold rings" in Google and you can confirm this.

Posted by: Zohar at May 19, 2004 02:07 AM

Here's an article from Turkey....seems the world is starting to catch on to the obvious "fake" video:

http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/article.php?id=2785

Posted by: Parrot at May 19, 2004 06:05 AM

If I were the family I would demand an autopsy!

Posted by: Parrot at May 19, 2004 07:28 AM

My guess is the orange jumpsuits are exactly what the terrorists would want Berg wearing when they killed him since it is revenge for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners (who presumably wear orange jumpsuits in prison). Is that too complicated?

If you don't think there is such a thing as a tall heavy Arab, I would suggest further research on your part.

The one-legged thing--that's a great point and I wouldn't put it past the CIA to aggrandize the bogeyman for our purposes.

I'm not an apologist for this sick mess we are in but let's take a reality check here. There's enough crap to go around without conspiracy theories, just read some of Wolfowitz's and Perle's articles since before Bush was elected--this was all sadly predictable.

Posted by: Stevula at May 19, 2004 10:46 AM

I read the article from Turkey at Parrot's suggestion. This is a highly credible piece, ASSUMING OF COURSE YOU ARE WILLING TO BELIEVE WE MADE UP THE WHOLE 9/11 HIJACKING, as the article states at the end. Parrot find a fucking job.

Posted by: Stevula at May 19, 2004 10:58 AM

this is my first time posting anything, so here goes:

I am a young, devote muslim, so I of course want desperately for the murdering to not have been commited by the Islamic terrorists; the alleged animal acts of my peoples do not do muslims justice. We are supposed to be strong, kind, and merciful people; almost perfect in every aspect.

This being said, I would like to present the following points about the issue: 1. It is against islamic law to wear gold, but it is overloocked a lot. 2. The lawn chair issue has been considered, and subsequently ridiculed dozens of times, and I must say I agree with the sceptics. 3. It is tradition, you might even call it protocal, in arab countries, including my home country of egypt, to dress up the person to be executed in red or orange garb.

I commend the maker of the site for his viligance, and his scrutiny of the suspicious acts of our incompetant governance. But I fear you just need more.

Posted by: Ali at May 19, 2004 11:01 PM

Yes...I have a job!

This link has the info of the web site that first showed the video and other great info:

http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-ghostscript/2004-05/msg01020.html

Posted by: Parrot at May 20, 2004 11:00 AM

From Italy:

http://www.aljazira.it/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=114&Itemid=


7) [WARNING: Reader's discretion advised] A human head contains 1.5 gallons of blood yet the freshly decapitated head shown in the video is leaking none. Neck artery would squirt a foot long geyser of blood. There is no evidence of that either. Only one answer lends itself here: the video was doctored. Either a portion was clipped out or the beheading never took place as shown, with the possibility of the victim being already dead.

Posted by: parrot at May 21, 2004 09:17 AM

Disassociate the video from the audio. You want questions? How about more thoughtful answers?

Q: Why video a *masked* known terrorist, reading from a prepared script?

A: Someone could record a *captured* terrorist forced into reading a prepared script. Useful, eh?

Q: If not Americans, who are the people in the video?

A: What country has native Arabic speakers and unconditional support from top US leaders?

Q: What is the purpose of the video?

A: First, the political turn about on abusing prisoners. Second, judge reaction of Arab nations and critique (notice that *clever* Arab nations have strongly opposed the act). Third, establish a *credible* presence in Iraq of a known terrorist (with possible double) to falsely recruit sympathizers. Need more?

Think about it... really.

The conflict in Iraq is funded from outsiders, so always consider every Iraq issue globally.

Posted by: anon at May 23, 2004 08:37 AM

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LISTEN!

Only once have i seen it posted so i must grab your attention. Arabic is read from right to left. So when someone turns the page they would be turning it to the left. HOWEVER the man reading turns it to his right...THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT evidence and crutial to test the authenticity of the murderers...

Posted by: Kurdish at May 30, 2004 05:01 PM

Kandish...
What a very good point!

Posted by: Parrot at June 5, 2004 03:55 PM

Kandish... was that supposed to be Kurdish? if so thanks!

Posted by: Kurdish at June 12, 2004 11:12 AM

I think that Americans did kill nick berg. I;m not really sure why they would, but the evidence in alot of the videos and pictures are way too detailed and obvious to deny. THe white chair, the orange suit, the vests, the white shoes, the ring, the wall color, and the floor. All of these clues are definetly in need of some serious investigation. And as far as that video is conserned, It is as fake as all can be, he dont scream, nor fight, and where is the blood? Hell they cut of his head, there should be ALOT of blood, think about it!!!

Posted by: Amanda at September 6, 2004 11:29 AM

there will be hell to pay to who ever dun this to our people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dont weary at September 30, 2004 08:53 AM
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