Marc Perkel Rantz

There do seem to be a lot of inconsistencies surrounding the execution of Berg. However, remember the "fog of war." If Iraq is not one big cluster fuck, I don't know what is.

One of your comments meant to debunk the authenticity of the terrorist is that you say three of them are wearing body armor. They are not. Those are cartridge webbing for ammunition. They wouldn't be very effective as bullet-proof vests as they strap on, and they don't even cover the whole chest.

Forgive me if someone else already pointed this out.

I have been focusing on the wall seen in the video. If you play a bit with color levels (ctr+L in photoshop) and add a lot of contrast, you can make the bricks in the wall more visible. Especially in frame 13.47.47 between the executioners legs. 2 bricks can then be sorted out, their size equals the size of Nicholas Bergs head.
Check then the size of the bricks in the abuse picture where soldiers make the thumb up over a dead Iraqi. Same size (1 head=2 rows of bricks)
Ok, chairs are made in quantites, bricks too. But the floor to wall junction and brick size are very similar.

Thank you Marc!

Pro Bush here but something is definitely off about this video. I made myself watch it. having been married to a Muslim man (I am now divorced and dispise the religion) I can tell you that there is off about the demeanor of the men standing while the statement is read. You don't need to go into any of the stupidity about gold rings, (Muslim men are allowed gold wedding and engagement rings) or the plasic chair that's just stupid.

Muslims are trained their whole lives to stand and listen as prayer commences. Prayer is done five times a day in countries outside the US. When I visited Egypt the imam called prayer five times daily. You hear it where ever you are. That's why a lot of American women notice a change in their husbands when they return from a trip home.

You don't need to watch the actual execution. You just need to watch the demeanor of the video to notice that two of the men are swinging back and forth on their feet like American men do. The guy on the end tosses his gun over his shoulder and they are not paying attention to what is being said.

This posture is probably why the Iraquis are so certain that the video is fake. Muslims stand with their hands at their waist one over the other, in fact, the way hands are folded is quite specific. I used to get snapped at by women in the mosque all the time. I still don't know which way it is.

Also when you say allah hu akbar most people raise their hands to their ears.

Perhaps the video was originally taped to ask for a trade in prisoners. Who knows. I don't know what is going on with this video. I watched it waiting to confirm the stupidy of the conspiracy claims only to find myself in agreement.

There is something off about this tape. Watch the demeanor the posture of the men. I have never seen the other tapes like these so someone let me know if they are more like what I said they should be.

There's a bigger smoking gun. I am just sitting here sick to my stomach. They did a frame by frame analysis and this guy has a shot where an American MP accidentally sticks the back of his head in the picture while they are cutting off his head. It is only for about 5 frames but there is no doubt about it and it looks a LOT like one of the American MPs.

http://aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm
Animated Photo 7 -This is the most damning evidence

I feel like crying. What is going on?

What a bunch of horse shit! I have no sympathy what so ever for the MPs who mistreated the prisoners at the what ever Iraqi prison, and believe they, and any superiors involved need to be prosecuted and punished to fullest extent of the law.
However, I watched the video several times, and there is no doubt in my mind that it was perpetrated by Islamic terrorist devils. The way they beheaded Berg is their trademark. Of course you conspiracy idiots will probably claim that the beheading of Daniel what-ever his last name was in Afghanistan was also done by the CIA. Enough of your rubbish!

The digital watermark is damning evidence if true. Marc, where did you hear/read this?

Your weblog is really good. Thanks for the effort. I have a question: does Berg blink his eyes in the video? If not, he was surely already dead.

M.H.Benders

He appears to blink his eyes a few times, and he shifts around a bit when he's sitting in front of his killers. But it's pretty clear he's dead before the knife is brought to his throat. The killing happened some time between these two sequences, but it's not in the video.

I just want to know the time differance between the prison video taping and the Berg taping.If the prison video was from last fall then why in the world would they would use the same camera?....on another thought the body language is something I noticed the first second i saw the "terrorists". The dropcloth on the floor is also very odd. I have also thought from the start that the camera images seemed similar as in graininess and color....I may be wrong and I hope I am......thanks for the brain food Marc.

The dropcloth is there to keep the floor from getting covered with blood. Even if someone isn't alive when beheaded, it's still going to leave a mess.

I don't have any strong held opinions about the killing of Nicholas Berg, but just want to raise a point because I don't think anybody else has. Surely the reason his captors (whoever they were) made him put on the orange prison suit was to emulate the allegedly humiliating treatment given to prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. Please don't slate me just for adding to the discussion.

i agree with you on your assessment of the nick berg video and the new prison video out...in both, the quality is obviously poor, the colors are the same, and the mannerisms of the guards are quite similar. if your kodak digital watermark theory is true, we have an even bigger problem on our hands than torture photos!

I believe most of what you say, but i am just curious and wish you would post links to documentation of research done by the 'kodak film experts of kodak park in rochester new york' .

If there are no links, where did you hear aboutt this?

The Last Man To Talk To Nick Berg Alive:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1615190

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=560487

A couple things I question...

1) the time jumps; most people seem to fail to realize that the 11 hour difference is coincedentally the same as the time difference between California and Baghdad.

2) www.al-ansar.biz; how does this site get so much attention overnight?

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What strikes me as odd is the terrorist's white hands......I have only seen Iraqi's with brown hands......notice the next time you watch CNN......Those guys look like big MPs........

Rebecca

Everybody who thinks that the Berg execution video is a piece if black ops fakery has been mystified by the fact that Berg is wearing a regulation-issue Us orange prison jumpsuit. I beleve there's a simple resolution to this, and one that makes sense!

Berg is shown in an orange jumpsuit because the CIA psyops boys had no alternative. He was already dead when the "terrorists" killed him and the only footage they had of him alive was some routine video they'd taken of interrogations of him while he was still alive and in US custody. In those videos he was wearing the orange jumpsuit.

Check my hypothesis out in full at:

http://www.brushtail.com.au

I have read some very thorough looking frame by frame analysis of the video, but I know nothing about that tech stuff and can't judge the reliability of the findings.

But I will say this:
-The lack of spurting blood convinces me that Mr Berg was dead.
- To those who say the terrorists put him a jumpsuit to make a 'point' connecting their act to the prison abuse.. I say, if they wanted to make a connection, he would have been naked, not clothed. The recently released video of the Japanese/Italian hostages, as well as the man who was taken and escaped were all kept in their civilian clothes. Also in those films, the hostages are held in what appears to be houses/huts. Nothing 'industrial'
-The manner of 'beheading' just doesn't strike me as very Islamic. Muslims kill their goats etc .. in a very specific way. Hand under the chin, pull back and slash. Throwing Mr Berg to the floor in that way, when they have to bend down awkwardly, makes no sense unless he was dead. The 'logical' thing would have been to keep him in a chair, as he was, and do it from behind. The fact that they did not .. reinforces to me that 1) the ID is done at a different occasion ( as Nick Possum suggests) and 2) doing it from a seated position would have been obvious he was dead.

Marc .. your assertion that Kodak labs have found this to be from the same camera ... I find incredible at this point. Time will tell, or not. I hope you are wrong.. I think this action was done by a 'few renegades' >> whether Islamic or one of those 'private contractors' remains to be seen.

I really would appreciate it if someone would post a link to that Kodak story for us. Would you please do that Marc? It makes it harder to pass it along as a credible source without one.

Here's something interesting I just noticed.

Check out frame 13:46:22-23 during the beheading. A guy wearing a U.S. military "chevron" insignia patch on his left shoulder leans momentarily into the frame. It's only there for a fraction of a second, but it is reasonably clear.

Perhaps an Arab terrorist was wearing a U.S. military uniform he bought at the local Army Surplus store, but all of these "coincidences" are starting to add up.

PTF

Kodak page regarding watermark technology, although it focuses on digital still cameras, and sounds as if it's still in the works:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/researchDevelopment/technologyFeatures/digitalWatermarking.shtml

Another page:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/digital/kennelInterviewP.shtml
EXCERPT: "QUESTION: How will Kodak address industry concerns about piracy?

KENNEL: Security and anti-piracy measures are absolutely essential. With the Kodak Digital Cinema system, we expect data files to be stored in our Cinema Operating System in encrypted form with decryption keys delivered for use in Kodak digital projectors. Once the movie is 'unlocked' to be shown on the screen, it will be impossible to copy. We have simultaneously developed watermarking technology that will enable the industry to pinpoint the time and place camcorder copies were made off of cinema screens."

And a FAQ in .pdf:
http://www.digimarc.com/docs/analogHole/DWM%20Facts%20FINAL.pdf

Now, is it possible to analyze a video copy of the Berg tape and compare it to the other Abu G. photos/videos? I'm cetain it is for SOMEONE, but finding that person is the tricky part.

I just want to ask a question and to add a comment concerning the video. Sory before for my bad english.
Does the Nick’s killer, while reading his text, turn pages from the left to the right side ? or from right to left side ?
For first case, text is written in Arabic, For second one, text is written in English.

Thank you.

I need more info regarding the "same camera" assertion as well. Too, and unless you have some sophisticated camera/electronic gear, I can't seriously correlate the figure that pops into the video with the individual in photo #4.

Some points I haven't seen addressed.

1.The individual in the orange jumpsuit bears no resemblance to the Nick Berg I've seen in other photos.

2. Allowing for tradition and religious beliefs, I understand the quick burial of Nick Berg. When considering Michael Berg's leanings however, as well as his assertion that Bush was responsible for his son's death... why no autopsy? Regardless of how or when, it does appear that Nick Berg was murdered. A good M.E. could have answered a lot of questions.

3. The excellent article by journalist Jane Stillwater that led me to Marc's site states "That is one sickening video". That's my only problem with her article. The day I saw the video of the murder, it was on a website that also had video of the the beheadings of Daniel Pearl and (allegedly) two Russians. Those videos WERE truly sickening. My stomach churned. After watching the purported Nick Berg murder a few times, it became nearly comedic. This is a piece of contrived bullshit. Nothing less.

I made a mistake in my earlier post identifying the "chevron" pattern as a military rank insignia. I now believe, after further viewing, that the fraction-of-a-frame "chevron" shot is actually showing the bottom of a curled-up piece of carpet along the wall.

Sorry about that folks. I thought for sure I'd found the "smoking gun."

Doh!!

Has anyone found any support for the "Kodak digital signature" claim? If it turns out to be bogus, it will tend to damage the credibility of the rest of the "circumstantial evidence," so it would be best to drop it.

PTF

Thank you Thank you Mark. I convinced a lot of people on the internet and in school that Americans killed Berg. Torture is not right. Those Americans should go to jail or i will kill them myself ROFL. They made them have sex with each other same and opposite sex, i say its sick an dthey should be punished

Possible source of the rumours?

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=&action=m&board=37138445&tid=apprisonerabusephotos&sid=37138445&mid=12618&thr=12296&cur=12296&dir=d

We've posted this at Wilson's Blogmanac which is a blog with a team spread across 3 continents. But we need more evidence on the Kodak thing, or else it's all hearsay.

To the guy on the other page who said America is the greatest country in the world, please tell us all why it's better than Australia, or were you just doing that Dubya boast thing? You know, people in the other *190* countries really do get sick of Americans saying that. That's why Bush's "apology" about Abu Ghraib on Arab TV was so badly received worldwide ... he spent half the time saying how wonderful America is instead of praising the people of countries that America is fucking over.

America: Arrogance is BAD public relations and leads to outrages such as the Berg execution. You have a great country, no doubt, but how do you like other countries saying they are better than you? How do you measure your superiority? Grow up, and work out what's making the world hate you.

I agree. Please cite sources.

Marc, the only place I've seen this is on the Yahoo message board thread "berg vs. ra'ed" posted and on blogs quoting your website. Oddly enough, someone posting on the Yahoo message boards linked to your website as clarification of the rumor. :/

In any case, the Yahoo thread was started on May 21st and it was stated that it was going to be reported on national news that evening. Has anyone heard anything about that?

It sure would be nice to know where "mfc1212" (the guy who originated the thread on Yahoo) got his information.

"I have been seeing some messages that if proved to be so answers the question as to who really killed Berg."

Uh, can you maybe tell us where we can see these messages? I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but please give us some proof that these messages aren't just voices in your head.

If this "digital signature" assertion is true, surely some good hacker out there has discovered this hidden property. You simply can't hide something like that out in the open. Post a link to the hacker who has decifered it. Even if they couldn't decifer it, surely they would know it was there.

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Very long Asia Times article explaining how the Berg video could be fake:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FE22Ak03.html

those people who made the nick berg's beheading video should involve steven spilberg to make it look real.

So the prison is going to be destroyed now> Is that so that any evidence that may be there will be destroyed? Does
Bush know Nick Berg was killed there?

World War III if all this shit is true.

Have our leaders not seen "Wag the Dog"? I could have done a better job creating a fake killing using fake Muslims than this.

Please you guys, Bush and his cronies are not only embarrassing our country, but are killing our children. And are encouraging young terrorists to attack us in the future. Why? So they can line their own pockets. Please vote against him, and encourage all your friends and family to as well. If not, we'll just need to get all psy-ops on his ass, that stupid selfish alcoholic motherfucker.

Why haven't you, Marc, cited source on the watermark info? Do you have anything?

Gee marc, you're so brilliant and insightfull so tell me how recently this practice of image-marking started. Do you think that a in third world country full of backwardness, there lies a goat herder who bought a new Toshiba DigiCam for Ramadan last year? Perhaps he bought it at Walmart with a set of lawn chairs. List your source information to build on your arguements. That is if any of what you say has any truth to it.

Hey Rob you are so brilliant the point is that the camera came from the usa duh ! So now you are agreeing with the fact that a 'goat herder' didn't buy the camera so it MUST be a usa camera huh?

Your argument supports marc huh ? DUH @ you rob heheh

The brushtail analysis can be found here:

http://www.brushtail.com.au/nick_berg_hypothesis.html

Can a Freedom of Information Request be filed to obtain copies of whatever interogation videotapes were made by Americans while Nick Berg was in American custody? Wouldn't those tapes likely show they parts of the tape that might have later been edited in to the now famous beheading video? What "For-Reasons-of-National-Security" excuse could the US use to withhold those videos?

If someone had stated two months ago that US-soldiers torture prisoners including sexual abuse, taking photographs of these scenes for their delight, the whole western world would have screamed "Not true! US-soldiers NEVER would do things like that!!!"
Now we know better. It seems these perverting guards could have done everything. We know that many more and even wors pictures exist that were not published - yet.

Posters who say "the white chair is no proof" did not recognise, that this is just a single indication. You must see the whole sum of indications which could speak a clear language. A single one can´t.

I am not convinced but see that this video MAYBE could be a hoax as well. I am sure one day we will know it. Patience...

I'm not 100% convinced either. Just fucking close. If Abu Ghraib is demolished that will cinch it. Abu Ghraib needs to remain as a memorial and reminder like Auschwitz and similar abominations. For the present it's evidence against the sick bastards awaiting courts martial and possibly Nick Berg's killers. Do the right thing America.

justine,
1. All cameras are from Mexico, Japan, and the Pacific Rim.
Hence the USA
2.Goat herders make very little- so the only cameras they could afford would be film, not digital.
3. A communist film maker DZIGA VERTOV (1920's) is the father of film editing due to a lack of film stock in communist Russia. If two cameras are used (or more...marc???) and the images are pasted together with a lapse in time I would suppose that this final tape would have to be made from a type of film.
4. Because the commies created modern editing techniques, I would assume that the rest of Asia would be familiar with editing, after all the art is about 80 years old.
5. If you can't handle the sarcasm, don't address me.
6. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think Berg was a CIA operative and the chance meeting 2 years ago with an Al Qaeda member was no accident. I think he deliberately gave him his email and password to gain information. The difference between an agent and an Operative is that the Operative can not reveal that they are CIA to anyone without National Security clearance, even his parents can’t be told and even after he’s dead
I think his work on the communication tower at Abu Ghraib in Dec/Jan wasn’t exactly manual labor but eavesdropping.
I think he was in prison but it was to gather information and commingle with prisoners. I believe Al Qaeda had an informer in the prison, possibly Iraqi police, who recognized him or learned he was an informant for the Americans. This information was passed to Al-Qaeda and when he left the prison (or possibly before) they arranged a meeting with him where they captured and subsequently beheaded him. He was found on a bridge, beheaded on May 8th.
The film: I believe it’s misinformation by the FBI, CIA or someone of authority who had a brain fart to take public interest off the prison abuse and damage the Iraqi’s public perception of Al-Qaeda. Who can deny that seeing it on film is more shocking than hearing about it. I think the early part is Berg being booked at the prison with the captors super imposed and then the blackout in the film after which it’s a dummy they cut the head off.
I think the captor saying “Hurry up” in Russian is misinformation just as the voice we hear is actually an Egyptian reading a prepared script. I think Al Jazeera was kept in the dark intentionally so they couldn’t download an original script and have it professionally analyzed
The poor quality of the film is on purpose and rushed. Also I think Zarqawi is dead and since dead men don’t talk, a convenient fall guy. I think the release of information that the FBI questioned him 2 years ago is a matter of “get it out there before some reporter finds out and this story is back on the front page”.
Of course I could be dead wrong but we’ll probably never know

The Last Man To Talk To Nick Berg Alive:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1615190

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=560487

ROB

Your argument defeats itself ! If you think they wouldn't have such equipment, then you are supporting the point that it wasn't a terrorist group that did the beheading video. Calling them goat herders, is just plain arrogance on your part.
YOU are the one who called them goat herders, and YOU are the one who said they couldn't afford cams. FACT IS: you don't know that they WERE goat herders, and you don't know WHAT the can afford. (FOR EXAMPLE> The AP film in the wedding massacre shows that in fact, many people CAN afford such items. But that is irrelevant.)
When you say ***Do you think that a in third world country full of backwardness, there lies a goat herder who bought a new Toshiba DigiCam for Ramadan last year?*** you are supporting the claim that SOMEONE OTHER than 'those people' would have to have a camera like that.
When you say ***** Perhaps he bought it at Walmart with a set of lawn chairs. List your source information to build on your arguements. That is if any of what you say has any truth to it. ***** you are AGAIN supporting the idea that it is NOT LIKELY to have been 'locals' who did the video.

Seems to me that you are thinking in a very muddled way, making assumptions that at the same time discredit your argument, then accuse Marc of not having a source of information to build on your argument.

What you posted initially was not sarcasm, it was illogical.

OUCH!!! womens lib owes you much. But who the fuck cares who they were? I don't. I just like to annoy people like you justine, people who think that they can change the world. idealists. The terrorists ( I know that you don't think so kindly of them as to call them goat herders- so I'll be PC for your pallete) have lots of cash, don't forget that bin laden is royalty and has Millions of Billions of Trillions of dollars, and that large caches of American currency has been found in Iraq; and more is being found every week.As far as my " Do you think?" claim I was being sarcastic. Perhaps you should reread my innitial post on this string... it may be that you dissagree with me and your emotions are influencing your *sic* rebuttle. It's okay though not all of us are stable in that dept. You should also reread my second post in this string, I state that the Execution of Mr. Berg is on film (UHF, VHS) not digital (I.E. digital camera) I don't believe Marc's statement about the Kodak expets as no source is listed on this info. When he presents this proof I may believe it ( I do check this sight periodically, DON'T I ???) With the white plastic chairs- I think you should read "IT'S THE SAME CHAIR OMFG" you would know that I was being fecicious. It would appear that you just want to attack me because we dissagree on a base level. You should fight me with pollitic not verbal excrement or disdain. We may learn from each other (that's why I browse the "dangerous" sight- to hear other points of view and keep the thinking person skeptical of all information).
Here's a treat on me:
HTTP://www.backwoodshome.com/articles/silveira66.html The article is titled "The Coming American Dictatorship" It discusess how Americans are forfitting their Constitutional rights. I hope to hear from you soon justine :)

Digital Watermarks have been around a few years for digital Audio. Its often used with prerelease songs to radio station. The technology is part of the signal and cannot be removed by converting the audio to another format. Therefore a matching camera watermark can be identified by the audio only, since watermarks are part of the s/pdif spec that creates the watermark when transfered from camera or device to computer. All you need is the software that can read the watermark. Not sure if this is available for PC but if it is anyone could do it.

OMFG

http://www.brookscottage.com/images/white%20chair.jpg

Did you know that Nick Berg's family has just posted a website in his memory. it's very moving.

www.nickberg.org

Thanks for the complement, lesser mortal. I am getting sick of explaining wisdom to certain peons of dis-information, and have dreamed of leaving this world for some time. FUCK US ALL! (or are we all fucked?)

leaving the inernet duh! perhaps to a shack in the wilds to get back to nature. Then you high-school liberals would consider me a hero, like Thoreau or Kazinsky.

The terrorist in the middle appears to be reading a pre prepared speech outlining his intentions, the thing that puzzles me the most is the way in which he reads it.
In publication of English words on paper the method of reading words off the paper is left to right and the pages open from the left.
In Arabic publication words are read right to left and books open form the right, totally the opposite way from English writing.
When I saw the video it seemed to me that the man in the middle was reading in much the same way an American would read words off a piece of paper.
The turning of the page to the next also troubles me; it just would really be awkward to read Arabic writing in such a manner. Don’t know whether any one could check up on that. Just seems weird.

These five men are not Arab/Muslim!!!

Cultural tradition is to wipe with the left, eat with the right. Just scrub the hand in the sand to get most of the moisture off.
Yet, the alleged "Zarqawi" character in the middle is seen at one point shuffling his papers and licking the fingers of his LEFT HAND.
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here's more...
Your left hand is not to be used for anything, as arabs generally wipe their asses with that hand.
http://www.eightballmagazine.com/ncm/2004/013104.htm

...thread from an old forum:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/766003/replies?comment=15

arabs wipe with their left hand, shake with their right... the traditional ones do not know of toilet paper. their's is a backward culture.

http://www.thefunnybone.com/slower/bbs/index.cgi?read=5394

Filmmaker Moore Says He Has Footage Of Berg Interview

POSTED: 3:46 pm EDT May 27, 2004

NEW YORK -- Filmmaker Michael Moore, whose incendiary new documentary lambastes President Bush's handling of the war, said Thursday that he has footage unused in the film of Nicholas Berg, the American civilian later beheaded in Iraq.

The footage, of an interview with Berg, "is approximately 20 minutes long. We are not releasing it to the media," Moore said in a statement. "It is not in the film. We are dealing privately with the family."

Neither Moore nor his representatives would describe the nature or contents of the interview with Berg, who held staunch pro-war views.

No one answered the phone Thursday at the home of Berg's parents in West Chester, Pa

Wow...I don't even know what to say about the watermark "theory." Total bullshit.

Can anyone provide ANY legitiamte proof of this calim? I don't mean a link to a blog, I mean a link to a real source?

No? Didn't think so.

You'd have to have the ORIGINAL tape to do anything with the watermark. Even a copy of the tape ould not work. An avi or mpg is especially useless.

IF, and I doubt he does, Douchebag Moore had 20 minutes of footage, where the hell did he get it? From the terrorists themselves? If he does have footage, and did not immediately turn it over to the US intelligence agencies, then he is witholding evidence.

TODD

Yes, call the guy a douche bag then you don't have to think about the possibility that maybe he got it FROM the intelligence in Iraq. Call Moore all the names you want but the reality is that he hasn't lied to you and the military has.

Will you call Nick's family traitors, if they dare to insist on the truth about their son's death? Moore should be commended for turning over that video to Nick's family when he could have profited from it.

Like most conspiracy theories, this is an easy thing to allege and is hard to disprove. I'll believe it when I see cold hard proof, and speculation about it until it hapens is not only foolish, but destructive.

Todd, When Moore mentions about his 20 minute Berg interview not being in the film, he's talking about Fahrenheit 911, not the Berg execution video.

Also, if the execution footage was filmed with a digital video camera, there would be no tape. Which is why a digital watermark on electronic media is such breakthrough technology.

For the record, I don't trust Michael Moore any more than I trust the Bush administration. Some things are true, of course, but there's a lot of heavy editing and spin in the "facts" being presented.

"The second series of abuse photos were edited and resized by CBS so these watermarks would not be available for comparisons."

That's assuming that CBS knows about the rumor that the same cameras were used to film the Abu Ghraib and Berg videos, and that they *believe* the rumor - and that they can remove the watermarks, and purposefully edited the photos as part of a cover up.

Also we don't know if the cameras used in Iraq use digital watermark technology. All we have is one statement on a Yahoo message board dated 5/21 - which hasn't been followed up on by the guy who started the thread. Doesn't seem like much to go on.

"This tells us that the media whores do not want us to know the whole truth.....only that part that will sway us into their newest agenda."

Media is a business. Actually, a bunch of businesses each competing with one another for sensational headlines that will draw in the most readers/viewers. This would be the story of the century. It could be that CBS et al, have nothing on this. Hell, it could be there *is* nothing.

http://www.skywaysecurity.com/gmax_systems.cfm

Just a quick yahoo search on digital watermark security camera.

The watermarks do exist in security camera technology. Among other uses, the watermarks allow an analyst to determine if a recording has been tampered with.

I don't know anything about the Kodak claim, but the watermark issue looks like it should be investigated.

There could be another reason why the cameras were the same.

Nick Berg managed to get inside Abu Gharaib prison and film what was going on for Michael Moore's anti-war film.

Later when consorting with his insurgent buddies, they decided to enlist him in a plot to get some of their friends freed. They made a video showing Berg as captive hoping the US would release some of their friends from prison. When they didn't get their way, they came up with the new plan. They probably didn't tell Berg he was going to be killed, he only figured it out when they started sawing into his neck. It was then he realized he was in deep shit and who he was dealing with.

I agree with darkstar, i dont think poor nick knew his fate..

Marc and all those who so ardently believe this video is a fake:

The reasons I've heard stated by you for why this video is a fake (or better yet, performed by CIA agents)are truly bordering on the surreal. Other than the spurting blood issue, I have not heard one compelling argument to support these claims. Gold rings, which hand they used to wipe themselves with, digital watermarks, weight, posture, mannerisms, accents, the color of walls, the mold of a chair...

Come on. The farthest I'd go at this point is to say it could very well be possible Berg was dead before the decapitation. And that's about it.

I followed the links to see this supposed frame that showed the back of an MP. I couldn't possibly fathom what it was I was looking at, so how exactly this community of folks (all of whom apparently are accredited video analyzers) could pinpoint this as any sort of anything is beyond me.

Marc,
Your blog is entertaining and that's about it. For God's sake, you're screaming on your main page that you have irrefutable evidence that the Blerg video is a sham, and yet somehow you appear to be the only person in the world to have this priviledged information.

"I urge all of you to press to find out if this story is actually true, and if so - HOLY SHIT !!!"

You urge us to see if this is true...but provide no links? Well you're the one who brought it up, why the hell are you asking US to find out if it's true?

What's truly shameful is that while you're off spouting and ranting about conspiracy theories and surely getting a hard-on by your readers' excitement, the tragedy of this event is being turned into a vaudeville episode of the X-Files.

Beheadings have been commited by Wahabbi Muslim since the time of Mohammed. Mohammed himself wrote of beheading 600-700 Jews they conquered and splitting up their belongings. They then buried them in a mass grave in the town. It is a trademark for them and is one of the four accepted ways to deal with non Muslims captured in battle. Look up Wahabbi Muslims on Yahoo or Google if you don't buy this. Also, why couldn't they have told Berg they were going to shoot him to elicit the scream and then cut his head off? Why couldn't the soldiers be swaying back and forth because of the beheading they know is coming up? In life, the simplest answer is usually the correct one.

on soldiers have been posting some pictures of their daily life in Iraq. On some of their pics the floor is covered with a red plastic sheet. There is a red carpet in the Nick Berg video. The plastic sheet on which the soldiers are sleeping is kind of shiny. Anybody seen shiny reflections of the carpet in the Berg video ?
Same red color and same size, but at first glance it doesnt seems to be the same fabric...

Monkeyman says: "In life, the simplest answer is usually the correct one."

There is a principle in logic called "Occam's Razor." It can be roughly stated as "The simplest adequate explanation is best."

What's the simplest adequate explanation for Berg wearing an orange jump suit of the type used in the prison, sitting in a chair of the type used in the prison, in front of a wall of the color used in the prison?

The argument that "Well, the terrorists might have had a prison jump suit, and they might have had the same kind of chair used in the prison, and they might have painted the walls of their hideout the same color as the walls in the prison" is mighty shaky.

The simplest adequate explanation is the obvious one: The video was shot in the prison.

I believe that Berg was killed, probably by accident, during interrogation. The killers had to improvise quickly. They had a few seconds of usable videotape from their standard "police interrogation" video. The opening "State your name" stuff is intended to get a baseline of the subject's nonverbal behavior when they are answering known-true questions. That can then be compared against suspected-false answers.

This is what is shown in the opening "chair" sequence. There is an obvious cut in the first few seconds, which doesn't seem to make any sense -- unless the interrogator's voice asking a question (possibly in English?) is being edited out.

How did the "terrorists" get hold of the interrogation video? My guess is that they *were* the interrogators.

PTF

If orange jumpsuits are standard issue for prisoners at Abu Ghraib, why have we only seen one prisoner at Abu Ghraib wearing what may be an orange jumpsuit? Shouldn't they all be in orange jumpsuits? For all we know, what that one prisoner is wearing isn't a prison jumpsuit at all. Maybe it's a track suit - or pajamas. It looks like the prisoners are wearing what they were wearing when they were arrested.

http://marc.perkel.com/images/orangejumpsuit.jpg

See also:
http://marc.perkel.com/images/orangegarb.jpg

A search on "orange prison jumpsuit" will turn up thousands of references.

The simple, obvious explanation for the fact that Berg is shown wearing a prison type outfit, sitting in a prison type chair, in front of a prison type wall is that the video was made in the prison.

The chair scene is obviously a clip of the "state your name" part of a standard interrogation video, made inside the prison.

PTF

The picture you linked to was taken at the prison at Guantanamo Bay. Of course prisoners in American prisons wear orange jumpsuits, but there are other questions that need to be answered before drawing conclusions.

Did US personnel bring orange prison jumpsuits to Iraq? If so, why aren't the prisoners at Abu Ghraib wearing prison jumpsuits?

Is what Nick Berg wearing a prison jumpsuit? It has a sheen to it. It looks like it's made of silk or rayon. Do they make prison jumpsuits like that for hotter climates? I don't know. Cuba is plenty hot, but the guy in the Guantanamo Bay photo isn't wearing a silky jumpsuit like the one Berg's wearing.

Assuming it was an inside job (CIA etc.), and that it was a US prison jumpsuit, why would Berg's killers keep him dressed in it? If I were CIA, and the only film I had of Berg saying who he was showed him wearing a US prison jumpsuit, I'd leave that part out of the video and just have the killer say who it was being killed. I mean, is having Nick Berg identifying himself personally so important that it's worth exposing the execution as an inside job? No. I think we have to look further than Abu Ghraib for where that garb came from.

How common are those white plastic chairs in Iraq. Common enough for these guys to get ahold of some, at least: http://www.pcusa.org/peacemaking/images/iraq/12.jpg

Is the color of the wall in the videos common in Iraq? I don't know. But it's a question worth asking.

IMHO, if we want to get a better grasp on what's going on we shouldn't just be asking about how similar things in the Berg video are to things we've already seen, but also about how similar they are to things we're not familiar with.

Who cares now?
No one.

Why?
Because it was fake.

How do I know?
Because no one cares.

I just thought you'd like to know this is in fact an erroneous claim. Free Press International contacted the Kodak people themselves and Kodak denied any involvement in watermark testing and also declined to perform any testing. You can read about it here:

http://www.freepressinternational.com/kodak.7426.html

The Washington Post has another orange jump suit photo, being worn by the guy being terrorized by the police dog in photo 1. The famous white plastic chair shows up again in photo 3.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16835-2004Jun4.html

I have never heard such junk. The Cia, MP's, and even american troops could have killed Berg? Come on, wake up and smell the liberal propaganda. People need to realize we are at war. For those that believed the americans killed Berg. What is the reason for it? Ohh to try and make the AMERICANS turn against the Iraqs. Who is responsible for the 4 contractors that were beaten to death, burned, dragged down the street, and had thier remains hung from a bridge with many people young and old cheering. For those that have no more time than too count bricks, see how hands are folded, look at plastic chairs, where WAL-Mart sells thousands, vote for someone who thinks like you (KERRY)

OK. I stand corrected about the lack of prison uniforms. At least one prisoner is wearing them in Abu Ghraib. ;)

But compare what the prisoner is wearing to what Nick Berg is wearing. The only similarity is that both are wearing something orange. The prisoner is wearing a one piece jumpsuit with a collar and velcro fasteners in the front. Berg's outfit consists of a collarless pullover shirt and pants. Looks more like a pair of pajamas or some kind of indoor casual outfit than a prison uniform.

http://marc.perkel.com/images/berg-chair.jpg

And the four Iraqis at a restaurant (in the picture I linked to) are also sitting in the same kind of chair as in the Berg video and Abu Ghraib photos. If that kind of chair is common in Iraq, the fact that the same kind of chair appears in the Berg video and Abu Ghraib photos is no longer the damning evidence it's seen to be when outside sources aren't being taken into consideration.

Funny how you don't hear much about this story anymore, or at all for that matter. Probably because of all the damning evidence that suggests the CIA just may be involved here. Deniability leads to apathy.
Then there are those that are quick to call this some type of Liberal agenda, come on people pull your head out. These are the same people that are so indoctrinated, conditioned and believe that we must either be Conservative or Liberal when it's the same puppeteers pulling bipartison strings. Probably the same people that believe wrestling is real.
Wake up people, the NWO is for real!
The truth about this story will never be revealed but don't be surprised if some part of the "OFFICIAL STORY" gets changed 5 years from now, ala "Flight 800".

Recap: Osama has been a wanted man for over 3 years, Zarqawi, just under 3 years. Both are easily recognizable and are still at large, but the 4 of the 5 masked wonders were caught in less than a week?
Geez, What a bunch of crock.

Actually, four people were arrested but two were released. The two still being held may have had a connection to the killing but might not be the killers themselves.

Question is, why is it so much easier to catch fat Iraquis that wear masks, than it is to catch a tall raghead with a smirk and an Arab amputee with a limp?
How-w-w Con-n-n-ve-E-E-E-nient!

It was probably the white tennis shoes, the vests, the postures and mannerisms and the gold ring that gave them away.

Oh wait, the gold ring laddie is still at large.

Maybe it was their eyes.

Of course, al-Zarqawi was also presumed dead - precisely because he had an artificial leg and therefore couldn't possibly have been fast enough to escape the bombing where it was presumed he was killed. However, the artificial leg deal has since been attributed to "bad intel", and the Berg video is neither the first nor last time al-Zarqawi has been assumed to be behind something "post humously", so it could very well be that he's alive and well - with all limbs intact.

That's not to say that the man who beheaded Nick Berg is definitely al-Zarqawi, though.

Do i have someone to agree wiht me? I'm tired of hearing about the possibility of U.S. involvment in the Berg case. People get a life!! It seems like you are blaming the U.S for his death. What about the other side of the coin? Look at the dead Americans, and the rest of those that have lost thier lives by the hands of the Iraqs. Were is your outcry? Remember the is always TWO sides of a coin, don't focus on just one side.

Some things i find a bit strange....
1) He is obviously NOT al-Zarqawi. We know it. The CIA know it. BUT they still said it was him even though even an intern would have dismissed that it wasnt him the day the tape got out.
2) How do you get a tape online? If it is digital. Do most digital cameras have grainy crappy resolution and audio? nope. And if they did put it on a webpage, they would want it in best resolution However, it is also possible for it to go online if they convert the analog to digital. I dont think they would have this equipment. Even Osama doesnt! The only other thing i can think of is it was filmed with a webcam. Dont think it is a webcam tho.

Whenever there is something fishy in politics...somethings up. Something is definately up.

Someone high up told these people they need to make it look like fundamentalists beheaded someone...So they get someone else to do it...The average american soldier probably doesnt know that arabs read right to left, would not wear gold especially on their left hand (toilet hand) and that if it was a real tape there would be one camera, one camera man, and an analog copy would be sent to Al-jazeera. I dont buy this bull.
-out

As mentioned many times before, the video appears to have been overdubbed, the actions, paper shuffling, screams, do not appear to be in sync with the audio.
Intentional or not, this is probably due to bad video encoding.
Hell, I don't think I even remember seeing Berg's mouth open at any time.
Since many have analysed the film frame by frame, I'm surprised no one has attempted to take it a step further and try to get the video to sync up with the audio.
This can be done by shifting the audio track either forwards or backwards by a few seconds. If the audio/video sync is improved then this would at least prove the audio track is authentic. Until then we can continue to presume the audio was overdubbed, proving these guys have the equipment, not only for analog/digital conversion but for digital video editing as well.
Said this, I would have to say that the UFO video taken by the Mexican Airforce last month is much more authentic, since the footage is more consistent, unedited and the audio/video sync is more plausible.

I'm sorry, this thread is becoming more and more ridiculous. Because of a chair and an orange suit you people think you have substantial proof that Berg was killed by US personnel. I hope you guys never have to serve for jury duty.

PFT...your guess is that Berg was accidentally killed during an interrogation. This is straight-up laughable. Perhaps I could see this being a possibility with an Iraqi POW, but an American citizen?

And for God's sake, do you really believe that if it were Americans who killed Berg, they'd be so friggin stupid as to not make more of an effort to conceal the surroundings in the video? Or why even make a video at all? Why not simply dump the body off in the middle of nowhere. It's not like Iraq is a war zone or anything. And if your counter argument is they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by framing terrorists with the murder, again, why would they not have taken greater care to conceal the surroundings?

Phoenix, your point appears to be that the video is so obviously, clearly fake that it is hard to imagine the killers could think anyone would be stupid enough to fall for it.

I agree completely.

My guess is that the bad guys didn't really expect anyone to fall for it for very long. They used the only scrap of the interrogation video they had that showed Berg alive, hoping it would provide them with cover long enough to get out of Dodge in the midst of the confusion.

They couldn't simply dump the body because Berg's parents knew he was in U.S. custody.

I imagine that Berg's killers are more astounded than anyone else that they have completely escaped justice for torturing an American citizen to death.

PTF

"Why not simply dump the body off in the middle of nowhere." - phoenix

Geez, this is essentially what happened, why was a Jew dropped off in the middle of Iraq?
This after denying he was ever even in custody.

SOMETHING IS FISHY, even if you ditch the chair and the ring. Being in denial of the evidence is the same paying "no attention to the man behind the curtain"

For those who aren't yet convinced that U.S. prisoners in Iraq (like Nick Berg) wear orange jump suits, here's a photo of a whole *pile* of them from an AP story this morning: http://makeashorterlink.com/?B52A41198

PTF

The "orange jumpsuit" link I posted in my previous message appears to be an "interesting photo of the moment" rather than a fixed page. Sorry about that. The Associated Press photo, which I saved and will be happy to e-mail to anyone who is interested, shows a newly-released prisoner sitting on a bench, changing out of his orange prison uniform, and sitting in front of what appears to be a whole pile of similar orange uniforms.

PTF

I just wanted to comment on the issue of video equipment. I know that there are alot of people of the middle eastern descent that are in our country right now that are buying certain video, computer and alot more equipment illegally off the streets here in the US. They are sending these things overseas to Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq to the terror networks all over all the time. So it doesn't matter whether they have a Walmart in Iraw or not - they still have access to these things. And considering that Bin Laden is like a billionaire, and he funds the terror networks - it is not like he can not afford these things.

Also, I am a proud Republican. I support George Bush and I respect him. If Clinton would have paid a little bit more attention to the security of our nation - instead of worrying what was under Monica's dress - maybe we wouldn't be in certain situations that we are in now.

Iraq is better off without Saddam in power, and all the countries in this world are better off that Saddam is done. A point that I have to make is WHAT IF Saddam stayed in power and took his WMD's and used them against us or used his ties with Bin Laden to do god knows what, like another 9/11, with just as many casualties or maybe more. Then all of you anti-Bush people would be blaming him or his administration still for not doing something to prevent it. So he can't seem to win either way he goes.

So now Saddam is done, Hitler is long gone, and Bin Laden is almost in our crosshairs. Why do these people come into power in the first place? For the future of our children we need to prevent this hatred. When I was young I didn't know anything about these types of people. And now because terrorism has become such a large part of our everyday lives, we have to live our lives on such a high alert all of the time. You can't even go on a relaxing vacation without a small worry in the back of your mind that something could happen to the plane, ship, or train that you are on.

These people hate the US and Americans because we have a love for all nations, all people, and all religions. We open our borders for people to have a better life and they hate us for that. That just does not make sense.

I am sorry for all of the people that have lost loved ones in the War on Terror. But our military is there fighting for us and our freedom and our future. I am a daughter of a Vietnam Veteran - I love our military and I support them and all of their efforts, contributions, and sacrifices.

God bless our country, our military, and all Americans.

Just my opinion...

I heard the awful news today of another American being beheaded at the hands of TERRORIST. The same type of people that murdered Nick Berg.We as Americans need to realize that people hate us. They hate what we stand for, how we worship, our government, and even us as individuals. I am not trying to write a comment full of hate or prejudicde, but we as Americans need to realize that the current war on terror will benefit us in the future. My father has just returned home from a year in Iraq fighting for our country. One of the letters he wrote me while he was over stated that he was fighting so future generations woulnd't have to.GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.

I heard the awful news today of another American being beheaded at the hands of TERRORIST. The same type of people that murdered Nick Berg.We as Americans need to realize that people hate us. They hate what we stand for, how we worship, our government, and even us as individuals. I am not trying to write a comment full of hate or prejudicde, but we as Americans need to realize that the current war on terror will benefit us in the future. My father has just returned home from a year in Iraq fighting for our country. One of the letters he wrote me while he was over stated that he was fighting so future generations woulnd't have to.GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.

''Islamic Response,'' and the rest of the so-called "insurgents" in Iraq. I obviously do not have an e-mail address for these vermin, so I am forwarding this letter to my entire address book in the hope you good people will forward it to as many people as possible, and that eventually through the miracle of the internet it somehow ends up in the hands of the intended recipients. Thank you all for your assistance.
>
>To the terrorists currently operating in Iraq,
>
> I see that you have captured a U. S. Marine, and that you plan to cut off his head if your demands are not met. Big mistake. Before you carry out your threat I suggest you read up on Marine Corps history. The Japanese tried the same thing on Makin Island and in a few other places during World War Two, and came to regret it. Go ahead and read about what then happened to the mighty Imperial Army on Tarawa, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. They paid full price for what they did, and you will too.
> You look at America and you see a soft target, and to a large extent you are right. Our country is filled with a lot of spoiled people who drive BMWs, sip decaf lattes and watch ridiculous reality TV shows. They are for the most part decent, hard working citizens, but they are soft. When you cut off Nick Berg's head those people gasped, and you got the media coverage you sought, and then those people went back to their lives. This time it is different. We also have a warrior culture in this country, and they are called Marines. It is a brotherhood forged in the fire of many wars, and the bond between us is stronger than blood. While it is true that this country has produced nitwits like Michael Moore, Howard Dean and Jane Fonda who can be easily manipulated by your gruesome tactics, we have also produced men like Jason Dunham, Brian Chontosh and Joseph Perez. If you don't recognize those names you should. They are all Marines who distinguished themselves fighting to liberate Iraq, and there will be many more just like them coming for you.
> Before the current politically correct climate enveloped our culture one of the recruiting slogans of our band of brothers was "The Marine Corps Builds Men." You will soon find out just how true that is. You, on the other hand, are nothing but a bunch of women. If you were men you would show your faces, and take us on in a fair fight. Instead, you are cowards who hide behind masks and decapitate helpless victims. If you truly represented the interest of the Iraqi people you would not be ambushing those who come to your country to repair your power plants, or sabotage the oil pipelines which fuel the Iraqi economy. Your agenda is hate, plain and simple.
> When you raise that sword over your head I want you to remember one thing. Corporal Wassef Ali Hassoun is not alone as he kneels before you. Every Marine who has ever worn the uniform is there with him, and when you strike him you are striking all of us. If you think the Marines were tough on you when they were cleaning out Fallujah a few weeks ago you haven't seen anything yet. If you want to know what it feels like to have the Wrath of God called down upon you then go ahead and do it. We are not Turkish truck drivers, or Pakistani laborers, or independent contractors hoping to find work in your country. We are the United States Marines, and we will be coming for you.
>
>Andy Bufalo
>MSgt USMC (Ret)

Cameras do not introduce _unique_ fingerprints, digital or analog, Period.
If that were true Kodak would have no need for this; http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/researchDevelopment/productFeatures/cinema.shtml would they?

This idea of a machine induced, hardwired, uncontrolable _unique_ "fingerprint" was part of a storyline in the film "The Ring"
This fiction seems to have become an accepted fact amoungst pseudo-sleuths.
Certain security DVRs will introduce a watermark but those are 100% controled by the operator. It is not inherent in video camera or recorder design.

First off, let me just say that those of you who have created websites devoted to this bullshit that you need to get a life AND a clue.

Second, let me point out a number of things that serve to make this whole conspiracy theory a laughable joke:

1. Many Iraqi's taken prisoner are given an orange jumpsuit which then become their only clothing due to a number of factors, such as being destroyed in a firefight or due to injury. When released, many keep that jumpsuit. This is a fact, and explains how the militants got hold of one.

2. Even if one could somehow reasonably assume someone in an "...army shirt with chevrons on the sleeve..." was on camera, guess what? The US Army has not worn chevrons on the sleeve of any uniform but the Class A dress uniform for over 23 years! Maybe it was an IRAQI uniform, but definitely NOT a US or even a coalition uniform!

3. It's amazing to see people who have either never beheaded someone or even been in the medical field debating the finer points of beheading. First, when Arabs are killing sheep, they are doing exactly that, killing, and NOT beheading. This means that a simple slash acros one carotid artery or the other is all that is necessary. As for beheading someone, it takes some leverage to cut through the tough cartilage of the trachea and the discs in the fertabrae, as well as the theck, tough muscles and tendons in the neck. It would be almost impossible to do so with the person sitting upright. Also, you would want the body pointing AWAY from you for the first few seconds to minimize blood flow. Be aware that the body will NOT continue to pump blod for very long once the spinal cord has been cut, and the blood soon slows to a trickle from the carotid arteries after a beheading. Though it does spurt quite forcibly for a few beats, it quickly fades. Ther would be MORE spurting if the carotid was only nicked. I know all of this because I have over 20 years in the medical field.

4. It seems most of you WANT to believe there is a conspiracy, even when all of the evidence points otherwise, and it is evidence of extreme paranoia. You should all seek serious mental evaluation and treatment.

In conclusion, you people need to get a life and stop looking over your shoulder in a fit of paranoid head-turning. You aren't being followed,...or are you?

W IN 04!!

W in 2004!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a quick comment. Anyone believing that an ear and green hat can be seen in the video does not have 20/20 vision. That is clearly a pinky, probably of the second camera man (as we have decided that there were definitely two). It is clear that something is off about this video; however, some of you are looking way to hard.

I have never seen such a collection of half-truths and fabrications as many of you are passing. I live here and can tell you that there are literally hundreds of millions of those white plastic chairs in the region (they are used at ALL wedding ceremonies for example).

The reader is scanning the pages with his eyes periodically and they move from right to left (just like mine when reading Arabic). Since the pages aren't bound it is difficult to get more than that from them).

I can't tell you who I work for but I have access to some of the most advanced digital filmography equipment that it is possible to possess (and I wish it was mine). None of it will allow you to identify a camera that was used to make a particular video once the original file has been published to an internet source. Digital fingerprinting is designed to prevent piracy of the original (like a DVD track).

I do not like what is going on any more than the rest of you but I also believe that you are doing more to damage, than help the situation, by spreading rumors such as this.

Get a life, you all think too much about too little!

This is just sick. First of all when people join the U.S Military, they know EXACTLY what they are getting into. They know that they may, someday, be made to participate in some military action and that they may die in said action. That is what the military does and it is why it exists. So, for those that only joined for the job training or the college money, tough!!! That's what you get when you try to get over on the government.

One more quick note: I know this kinda goes against my stance but, the pic with the four "Iraqi's" sitting in white chairs, I don't think it's in Iraq. There's a Pepsi bottle on the table and the person standing all the way to the left in the photo is wearing a shirt with western style lettering (as opposed to arabic writing). I think it's probably just four middle eastern or eastern europian men in a restaraunt in either America or England. But, still I see thousands of those chairs all over the place. It would be of no surprise that they exist in Iraq.

Next, you can take ANY video taped event and people will be able to find "evidence" that it didn't happen the way we think it did. Watch any sporting event and if you look hard enough you'll find things that will support theories of favoritism or a fixed outcome. I'll bet those of you who think that we don't see what we think we see in the video are the same people who, after the first Rodney King trial, screamed "Video tape doesn't lie!" Iraqis can't own white chairs or gold rings? I did a quick search on ebay an look what I found http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5314994453&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Imagine if I did a google search? I guess it's not that hard to obtain an orange jumpsuit afterall. Don't get nit picky about the lettering on the back. You know damn well that this is just one sample and I'm sure it's not hard to remove anyway. And now let's turn the conspiracy around. What makes you so sure the terrorists didn't add all of this stuff deliberately? What makes you think they don't know that many Americans have a strong desire to prove their government is up to something sneaky and evil. If I was a member of al qaeda or some other anit-america group, I would love what I'm reading on this page. And I would sit there and laugh for hours and hours at the "Stupid" Americans who see conspiracies around every corner. You people make yourselves and the rest of us look very bad.

Let's not forget that Iraq is an oil producing nation so, money for a chair, ring, video camera(s),jumpsuit, paint for the walls, etc is not an issue.

Bush in 2004

The paragraphs in the above post are, for some reason, out of order. The second paragraph should be the last.

Hell Yeah! Bush in 2004! Can't trust this country to Kerry and definitely not Nader!

CHECK THIS OUT:

From the Ghost of General Patton:

http://www.techniguy.com/politics/GenPatton/

Can somebody tell me who is Nick Berg?Why had he been taken prisoner?

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR GEORGE W. BUSH OR JOHN
>KERRY
> > GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?
> >
> >
> > My Fellow Americans:
> > As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed. Since
> > congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our
>mission in
> > Iraq is complete.
> >
> >
> > This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American
>forces
> > from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now to
>begin
> > the reckoning.
> >
> > Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries
>which
> > have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short.
>The
> > United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the
> > countries listed there.
> >
> > The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the
>worlds
> > nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing
>copies
>of
> > both li sts later this evening.
> >
> >
> > Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to
>those
> > nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved
> > during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the
>Iraqi
> > war.
> >
> > The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world
> > Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.
> >
> > Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.
> >
> > In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this
>money
> > toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On
>that
> > note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will
>hunt
>you
> > down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the
>earth.
> > Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe
>China.
> >
> > To Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Yo, boys. Work out a peace
>deal
> > now. Just note that Camp David is closed. Maybe all of you can go to
>Russia
> > for negotiations. They have some great palaces there. Big tables, too.
>I
>am
> > ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France,
> > Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are
>retiring
> > from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis. I have instructed the Mayor
>of
>New
> > York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in
> > Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where
>those
> > vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about
>whatever
> > treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid
> > tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes,
>Beamers,
> > and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the
>world. I
> > love New York.
> >
> > A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are
>likely
>to
> > be seeing a lot mo re of each other, you folks might want to try not
>pissing
> > us off for a change. Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his
>entire
> > corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a
>couple
> > extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am
>going
>to
> > put em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.
>Oh,
>by
> > the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty ---
>starting
> > now.
> >
> > We are tired of the one-way highway.
> >
> > It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own
>citizens.
> > Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them be saying, "darn
>tootin."
> >
> > Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the
>world
> > has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the
>planet.
> > It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate
> > homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World C up Soccer
>from
> > America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We
>owe
>you
> > and we won't forget. To the nations on List 2, a final thought. Drop
>dead.
> >
> >
> > God bless America.
> >
> > Thank you and good night.
> >
> > If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in
>English,
> > thank a soldier.
> >
> > ( Please forward this to at least ten friends and see what happens!
> > Let's get this to every USA computer!)
> >
> >

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR GEORGE W. BUSH OR JOHN
>KERRY
> > GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?
> >
> >
> > My Fellow Americans:
> > As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed. Since
> > congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our
>mission in
> > Iraq is complete.
> >
> >
> > This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American
>forces
> > from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now to
>begin
> > the reckoning.
> >
> > Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries
>which
> > have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short.
>The
> > United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the
> > countries listed there.
> >
> > The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the
>worlds
> > nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing
>copies
>of
> > both li sts later this evening.
> >
> >
> > Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to
>those
> > nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved
> > during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the
>Iraqi
> > war.
> >
> > The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world
> > Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.
> >
> > Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.
> >
> > In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this
>money
> > toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On
>that
> > note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will
>hunt
>you
> > down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the
>earth.
> > Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe
>China.
> >
> > To Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Yo, boys. Work out a peace
>deal
> > now. Just note that Camp David is closed. Maybe all of you can go to
>Russia
> > for negotiations. They have some great palaces there. Big tables, too.
>I
>am
> > ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France,
> > Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are
>retiring
> > from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis. I have instructed the Mayor
>of
>New
> > York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in
> > Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where
>those
> > vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about
>whatever
> > treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid
> > tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes,
>Beamers,
> > and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the
>world. I
> > love New York.
> >
> > A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are
>likely
>to
> > be seeing a lot mo re of each other, you folks might want to try not
>pissing
> > us off for a change. Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his
>entire
> > corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a
>couple
> > extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am
>going
>to
> > put em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.
>Oh,
>by
> > the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty ---
>starting
> > now.
> >
> > We are tired of the one-way highway.
> >
> > It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own
>citizens.
> > Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them be saying, "darn
>tootin."
> >
> > Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the
>world
> > has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the
>planet.
> > It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate
> > homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World C up Soccer
>from
> > America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We
>owe
>you
> > and we won't forget. To the nations on List 2, a final thought. Drop
>dead.
> >
> >
> > God bless America.
> >
> > Thank you and good night.
> >
> > If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in
>English,
> > thank a soldier.
> >
> > ( Please forward this to at least ten friends and see what happens!
> > Let's get this to every USA computer!)
> >

To Marina:

go to www.nickberg.org

will tell you about him - why he was taken prisoner looks like there are a lot of theories. Type his name in a search and view them all if you want - but be aware there are lots of wrong info posted on the web about his death and the others too. But the site above is the official nick berg site.

American people...
Wake up and unite...
against terrorism...

But please, do start by your own country... seize Bush and his gang...

Stop being so damn fascist and egocentric

my .2

Having a lot of difficulty in understanding all the consternation here. America is a good country to live in like our australia. But I fail to understand how so many educated people can be possibly so of the mark. Not knocking anybody, would just like you all to sit back and look at another possability. Muslumsm are muslums, not idiots. They have the technology and the inteligence of many of us, and some a lot more.
Why can no one see that the american army is just not as stupid as this makes them look. I cant believe that a film could look so fake as to convince so many that it is an american film. I think you are looking at a psycological brain fucker here that may well have been done by the terrorists to make you believe it was the americans trying to cover up. They are terrorists. They love to play games with your lives and your minds. Untill you see proof positive identifying the camera,s which is the only way you will ever know, keep an open mind.
This looks too much like a set up.

Everyone that is eligible - please vote in November! But be sure to vote for the person that YOU want to. Do not be influenced by the celebrities or rock stars. Vote because it is your right and you need to be heard. Every single persons vote counts and it is very important that you do so. Politicians are politicians - their campaigns are full of dirty ads, even the debates are full of inflated numbers. Check the facts out for yourself and fully understand the "plans" that each proposes, and whether their plans are a real possibility or just a fluke to get votes.